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  • Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

    If you heard Carlisle's post game press conference after the game he was emphatic about explaining the circumtances of how the pacrs have beaten the Heat 3 times. game 1 the Heat missed 18 free throws. Game #2 Shaq did not play. game #3 Heat missed a ton of free throws and were without Eddie.

    So what do you think do the Pacers matchup well with the Heat. I tend to agree with Rick, 3 OT games, and the Pacers played 3 of their best defensive games of the season.

    Here is an interesting Heat beat writer perspective

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front


    Heat suffer another flameout in Indiana


    Pacers' 12-0 run in OT snuffs out Heat

    By Ira Winderman
    Staff Writer
    Posted April 1 2005

    INDIANAPOLIS -- If the playoffs start here for the Heat, there has to be legitimate concern that they also could end here.

    Unable to figure out the Pacers even with Indiana lacking ailing Jermaine O'Neal and Jamaal Tinsley and suspended Ron Artest, the Heat fell Thursday night for the third time in as many meetings this season.





    With guard Reggie Miller hardly acting his 39 years and forward Stephen Jackson forcing the game into overtime, the Pacers escaped with a 114-108 victory at Conseco Fieldhouse.

    While the Heat could point to the injury absence of forward Eddie Jones, this nonetheless was an unsettling result.

    Playing overtime for the third time in as many meetings, the Heat's regular-season losing streak to the Pacers reached 12.

    "When a team wins 12 in a row against you, you can't make excuses about it," said Heat coach Stan Van Gundy, who nonetheless pointed to the Pacers' 11-of-25 3-point shooting. "We deserved what happened against us."

    While the Heat remains on the verge of clinching the No. 1 overall playoff seed in the Eastern Conference, the concern is that Indiana could be the opening-round adversary.

    Unlike in last year's Eastern Conference semifinals, the Pacers would be the road team. Still, this has become about more than seedings.

    Instead, an air of superiority continues. Suddenly, these Pacers are becoming the next-generation Knicks for the Heat when it comes to tormentors. Counting last season's playoffs, the Heat has not won at Conseco since 2001.

    "They really play their best ball against us," said guard Dwyane Wade, who led the Heat with 37 points. "But we'll take any team in a seven-game series."

    Down 92-86 with 1:43 to play in the fourth quarter, the Pacers tied it on 3-pointers from guard Anthony Johnson and Jackson, with Jackson's conversion coming with two-tenths of a second to play in regulation off an offensive rebound from center Dale Davis.

    A similar pattern by Johnson and Jackson helped lift Indiana in the extra period.

    Still, this was about more than Jackson's 29 points and Johnson's 16.

    It was about more than Wade fighting through knee pain to make three 3-pointers in a valiant fight after converting only eight previously this season.

    And it was about more than Heat center Shaquille O'Neal finishing with 24 points and 13 rebounds or Heat guard Damon Jones closing with 27 points by shooting 5 of 5 on 3-pointers.

    No, this was about Miller tormenting the Heat with 31 points, including eight in the extra period, his fifth 30-point game of the season.

    "Reggie Miller? I don't know what there's left to be said about this guy that hasn't already been said," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "What he's doing right now, it's stuff that legends are made of."

    Miller, who plans to retire at season's end, entered averaging 20.1 points over his previous 11 games, leading Indiana to 7-4 record over that span.

    With 10.2 seconds to play in regulation, Wade hit a long jumper to stake the Heat to a 94-91 lead. In any other building, in any other series, that should have been enough.

    Not here, not against the Pacers.

    "It would be ridiculous to say we have some secret formula to beat these guys," Carlisle said. "We do not."

    Miller agreed.

    "It's a good matchup for us," he said. "But in a series, I wouldn't count on anything because they've got two fabulous players in Shaq and Dwyane. I don't know. We've just been lucky."

    After bruising his right knee in Tuesday's victory over Toronto, Wade waited until the pre-game warm-ups to decide he was fit.

    The only other teams to beat the Heat more than once this season are Seattle and Dallas. The Heat also faces the Pacers on the regular season's final weekend.

    The Heat entered having lost two in a row on the road, at Houston and Charlotte. It now has its first three-game, road-losing streak of the season.

    Ira Winderman can be reached at iwinderman@sun-sentinel.com.

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    Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

    Not necessarily. I think we don't match up with them at all. But they missed a lot of free throws, which is why they lost. That is it. Not to mention we play very hard
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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      Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

      Assuming we make playoffs, I cannot WAIT to see Reggie just let it all out.

      We haven't seen the Reggie who would step up and play his heart out, scoring over 20 every playoff game for a while now. He's just going to let it all out on the court...this of course, assuming JO isn't back though...

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

        I love that any time we face a team with their 3rd or 4th best player out they point to that as if it was ok to lose to us.

        Hello we are without three of our starters!!!!

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

          Originally posted by Ragnar
          Hello we are without three of our starters!!!!
          I would argue 3 of our most important players. It's awesome. Carlisle for coach of the year.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

            Originally posted by rcarey
            I would argue 3 of our most important players. It's awesome. Carlisle for coach of the year.
            How can Carlisle be coach of the year when SVG has lead the Heat to the second best record in the NBA? Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

              Originally posted by Jumpin' Shaq Flash
              How can Carlisle be coach of the year when SVG has lead the Heat to the second best record in the NBA? Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.
              You're my new best friend. I love you man.

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                This guys is reatarded this stupid heat fan.You angry because your heat lost 12 staright to us in a regular season game.Huh you mad because you guys suck without either shaq or flash.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                  Originally posted by Jumpin' Shaq Flash
                  How can Carlisle be coach of the year when SVG has lead the Heat to the second best record in the NBA? Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.

                  You're right, COY is decided by record alone. What were we thinking.
                  You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                    Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                    You're right, COY is decided by record alone. What were we thinking.
                    [sarcasm=inserted for Jumpin Shaq Flash's benefit] Yeah - and ESPECIALLY goes to the coach with the SECOND best record overall. And with the most dominant player in the game to boot. [/sarcasm]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                      Originally posted by Jumpin' Shaq Flash
                      How can Carlisle be coach of the year when SVG has lead the Heat to the second best record in the NBA? Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.
                      It would make sense if you had been paying attention to the Pacers season.

                      How many teams can lose their three best players and still be in the playoff hunt? How many teams can lose their three best players and still beat the best teams in the league? Can you name any?

                      A big part of us still being in it is Carlisle and his staff.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                        Originally posted by Jumpin' Shaq Flash
                        How can Carlisle be coach of the year when SVG has lead the Heat to the second best record in the NBA? Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.
                        Oh Wise One, please tell me what award goes to the coach with the best record in the leauge?

                        In anticipation of your response I to your greatness.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                          Originally posted by grace
                          Oh Wise One, please tell me what award goes to the coach with the best record in the leauge?

                          In anticipation of your response I to your greatness.
                          The Heat have gotten better and better under SVG, and are now the best team in the NBA. He should get CotY because the Heat will not only get the best record, but also win the championship. Carlisle has never won a championship.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                            They aren't going to get diddly-squat if Shaq doesn't start making free throws. My grandmother has a better free throw % and she's dead.

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                              Re: Pacers matchup welll with the Heat, or just lucky

                              Originally posted by grace
                              They aren't going to get diddly-squat if Shaq doesn't start making free throws. My grandmother has a better free throw % and she's dead.
                              Ask the Lakers how much those missed FTs of Shaq's hurt when they were posting THREE CONSECUTIVE NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS.

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