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    Was Jones the Right Choice?

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    Q. Now that Fred Jones and Kareem Rush (of the Lakers) are enjoying some playing time in their respective teams, do you think the unexpected move of drafting the athletic Fred Jones in the 2002 NBA Draft over the sharp-shooting Rush was the best move for the Pacers? (From Adrian in Puerto Rico).

    A. It really wasn’t as simple a decision as Jones vs. Rush. The Pacers also had taken great interest in Jiri Welsch (Czech Republic) and John Salmons (Miami), both 6-7 swingmen. Media reports, both local and national, generally focused on Rush and mock drafts around the country generally projected him as the Pacers’ choice at No. 14 overall. The Pacers never denied interest in Rush but, the truth was, they were allowing the media to run with that notion because it masked their true intentions. At that point in time, with coach Isiah Thomas’ emphasis on versatility and interchangeable parts, Rush wasn’t as appealing because he was basically considered a one-position player. When Jones came in for his second workout – I believe he was the last player the Pacers saw before the draft – he dazzled Thomas and the scouts with his athleticism.

    Considering he was less than 100 percent, physically, at the time, Jones’ performance was even more impressive. Jones offered the promise of a combo guard who could break down defenses off the dribble – skills the Pacers lacked. Could the Pacers use another shooter? Certainly. But they also need all the defense they can get in the backcourt, and Jones is a major plus in that department. As for the others under consideration, Welsch is a quality shooter, but has yet to find an NBA home. Salmons also shows promise, but isn't nearly as explosive as Jones. While Rush and Jones are both enjoying success in their second seasons, it still is far too early to evaluate what either player - or the others in the equation - ultimately will become.

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    Default Re: Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?

    Welsch is a quality shooter, but has yet to find an NBA home.
    I think Conrad makes enough that he could get league pass by now.

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    Welsch is a quality shooter, but has yet to find an NBA home.
    I think Conrad makes enough that he could get league pass by now.
    Yeah, I thought Welsch was getting major minutes at Boston.

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    Default Re: Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?

    It's a little ironic that Thomas was the guy who drafted Freddie, but Carlisle seems to be a better coach for him. This is just speculation, but I kind of doubt that if Carlisle had been the coach in the spring of 2002 the Pacers would have drafted Freddie.

    I realize there was a traffic jam ahead of Freddie last year, but Thomas never really gave him much of a chance. Carlisle has stuck with Freddie this year, even through a couple of rough patches, and it is paying off for him. Freddie's defensive tenacity makes him a perfect "Carlisle Guy".

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    Chew it up if you want, but here's how I see these four players...

    Fred Jones = Terrence Stansberry = Sean Green.

    I just don't believe he will ever be more than a dunker and I believe he'll eventually be playing in Europe. Just my unpopular .

    Kareem Rush = Dell Curry = Chris Jackson (prior to the American Flag controversy)

    I don't believe he will be more than a sharp-shooting role player but I believe he'll have a long, productive NBA career.

    John Salmons = ? Reminds me somewhat of Malik Sealy, I don't know why but I like him.

    Jiri Welsch - now I'd love to see him on *this* team, but I think he would have been a bad choice for last year's team. His problem isn't finding a home - his problem is that everybody insists on recieving him in a trade. Golden State and Dallas both said they didn't want to include him in those deals.
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    Salmons will be a great player. But out of all those guys I think Fred has the most upside. Everyone says he is a bad shooter... but he has great form. Next year he will be nailing that jumper like AJ, another player who was said to not be able to shoot. Besides peoples criticism over his shooting, Fred's got the complete package. I think he will be starting and maybe starring in the nba within a couple years.

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    Jay, I am really surprised you don't like Freddie.

    I have liked Freddie from the first time I saw him in a Pacers uniform. Love his defense, love his demeanor, love his ability to make plays off the dribble

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    Welsch is a quality shooter, but has yet to find an NBA home.
    I think Conrad makes enough that he could get league pass by now.
    Yeah, I thought Welsch was getting major minutes at Boston.
    He was starting... don't know if he still is or not...

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    Fred Jones = Terrence Stansberry = Sean Green.
    If he's going to be compared to Sean Green, Fred might as well start jacking up shots every time he touches it. Fred is averaging about 10 attempts per 48 minutes. Sean Green must've averaged 30 per 48. Seems like I remember that his number was about the same as Jordan's......
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    You guys didn't put up the guy that would've been picked if DW didn't have family issues during that draft. That guy was Tahshaun(spelling?) Prince wgo I heard later was the pick by most of the Pacer head guys, but Isiah wanted Freddie, so that's a better question, who would you rather have, Prince or Freddie?
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    Default Re: Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?

    Jay, I am really surprised you don't like Freddie.

    I have liked Freddie from the first time I saw him in a Pacers uniform. Love his defense, love his demeanor, love his ability to make plays off the dribble
    Its mostly the fact that I don't "project" the rest of his game to grow in the same way that many others around here do, so I did what I normally do when I disagree - I exaggerated.

    What I didn't say - although its clear - Freddie is vastly superior defensively to Stansberry or S. Green. But if he doesn't develop some key missing parts to his offensive game, then he will go down the same road as those two guys who were also great leapers and could make things happen off the dribble.

    Aside, Does anyone else remember Sean Green's tomahawk dunk in traffic over the shotblocking duo of Larry Nance and Hot Rod Williams?

    I think the most likely scenario is that Fred's PG skills improve and he's able to play as a "third guard" in a three-guard rotation - I could live with that although the fourteenth pick is awfully high for a "third guard" when we still have a glaring need for a long-term solution at SG.
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    Probably still Fred, since we've got 3 starting-quality SF already. He'd NEVER get any PT on this team, so this year, he'd be on the IR with James Jones, and we'd be going, "why didn't we draft Jiri or Kareem or this Fred Jones guy?"

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    Default Re: Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?

    Welsch is a quality shooter, but has yet to find an NBA home.
    I think Conrad makes enough that he could get league pass by now.
    Yeah, I thought Welsch was getting major minutes at Boston.
    He was starting... don't know if he still is or not...
    He was hurt for a while - I hate the Celtics so I can't make myself watch them to see if he's back and how he's doing.
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    Jones was the best pick. Although I don't think we would have taken him had it not been for IT. Does anyone else think that IT doesn't value shooting very much?
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    Does anyone else think that IT doesn't value shooting very much?
    I don't think that's it - after all he did have that sweet-shooting 7'0" shooting guard.
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    Default Re: Was Fred Jones the right draft choice in the 2002 draft?

    You guys didn't put up the guy that would've been picked if DW didn't have family issues during that draft. That guy was Tahshaun(spelling?) Prince wgo I heard later was the pick by most of the Pacer head guys, but Isiah wanted Freddie, so that's a better question, who would you rather have, Prince or Freddie?
    The poll has to do with the article. I didn't put Prince up because he wasn't discussed in the article.

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    The part of Freddie's game that does not impress me is his dunking. Don't get me wrong, he is a good dunker, but that is not why I like him as a player.

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    Of those 4 players, I like Freddy. Jiri W. is a nice offensive player, but when REGGIE MILLER can consistently break your ankles, then something's wrong.

    I'm surprised nobody has said Boozer.
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    Of those 4 players, I like Freddy. Jiri W. is a nice offensive player, but when REGGIE MILLER can consistently break your ankles, then something's wrong.

    I'm surprised nobody has said Boozer.
    This team needs Boozer like it needs another guard that can't shoot. He's a ncie player, but has no place on the Pacers, and wouldn't have emerged had he been, and thus wouldn't have any trade value anyway.
    He'll have a place when we move Croshere. If we picked him up in the late first round (teams were BEGGING other teams to take their late 1st-round picks), we'd have him under contract for 4+1 years.
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    [quote="Anthem"]
    Of those 4 players, I like Freddy. Jiri W. is a nice offensive player, but when REGGIE MILLER can consistently break your ankles, then something's wrong.

    I'm surprised nobody has said Boozer.
    This team needs Boozer like it needs another guard that can't shoot. He's a ncie player, but has no place on the Pacers, and wouldn't have emerged had he been, and thus wouldn't have any trade value anyway.
    He'll have a place when we move Croshere. quote]

    agree with btown . . . Boozer would be wasting away on the bench until some GM finally felt sorry for the Pacers and took Croshere off their hands . . .

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