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04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

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  • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

    I think 90% Roy's back next year. Will be interesting to see if Bird's presser comments play out if Roy does in fact come back. If he and David both opt in, we're basically stuck with the same inside personnel. Hence, I don't forsee a lot of legit options for changes in approach.

    Who do you potentially bench Roy or David for? Mahinmi or a resigned Lavoy? No more appetizing than more Roy really. Hopefully 1st rounder is getting decent minutes, regardless of outside or inside, but I'm resigned to the fact we're looking at essentially the same main players.
    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

    -Emiliano Zapata

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    • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

      Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
      I think 90% Roy's back next year. Will be interesting to see if Bird's presser comments play out if Roy does in fact come back. If he and David both opt in, we're basically stuck with the same inside personnel. Hence, I don't forsee a lot of legit options for changes in approach.

      Who do you potentially bench Roy or David for? Mahinmi or a resigned Lavoy? No more appetizing than more Roy really. Hopefully 1st rounder is getting decent minutes, regardless of outside or inside, but I'm resigned to the fact we're looking at essentially the same main players.
      I agree, I don't think there will be any big changes this off-season. We will roll into the season with virtually the same roster and hope that the G2Zone can carry us offensively. That's probably the smart way to play it. The worst move would be to trade West or Hibbert for a "meh" package that gave us some undesirable contracts which ruined the upcoming 2016 cap space. We probably could have got something decent for West before the season if we had been willing to sell for 50 cents on the dollar, but that ship has sailed and any offers at this point would almost certainly be crap.

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      • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

        Originally posted by beast23 View Post
        I think Roy limits our offense and is a primary reason that our scoring pace is less than it could be.
        I hope you're right that when Hibbert leaves, the offense improves. I'm of the opinion that we don't score as well as we could because our entire offense is ******. Not enough ball movement and not enough player movement. No one knows how to properly set a pick or how to use a pick. Can't even make entry passes with any consistency. All that crap. Now, it may be that our offensive scheme is ****** because it's designed around Roy's strengths and weaknesses. Maybe Vogel will find a better offensive groove with a more mobile center. I just don't think Roy's out there ignoring the offensive playbook to burn clock and throw up wild shots. I think he's getting the opportunities he's supposed to get, but he just isn't making them at an acceptable rate.

        Ultimately, Hibbert might just be a victim of changing play-styles in the NBA. Rondo was great just a couple years ago, but very few teams are clamoring for a point guard who can't shoot these days. Might be the same for a lumbering, back-to-the-basket center. We had a lot of success with him in the past, but the teams that are contending these days just move the ball too much for that kind of player to succeed.

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        • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
          It's a shame that Roy never developed into the player I thought he might, and that includes passing out of the post. I thought his post game would be good as well. I thought he would work on that Duncan bank shot but that never happened either. He's been better defending the rim than I expected but otherwise, not real impressed for 15M/yr.
          If you saw him in college or his first few years in the league, idk why you'd think he would turn into said player.

          I actually always thought Roy would be a Zydrunas Illgauskas type who operated in the high post and could make passes to cutters. He did that a lot at Georgetown.

          He's obviously turned into neither

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          • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

            Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
            I think 90% Roy's back next year. Will be interesting to see if Bird's presser comments play out if Roy does in fact come back. If he and David both opt in, we're basically stuck with the same inside personnel. Hence, I don't forsee a lot of legit options for changes in approach.

            Who do you potentially bench Roy or David for? Mahinmi or a resigned Lavoy? No more appetizing than more Roy really. Hopefully 1st rounder is getting decent minutes, regardless of outside or inside, but I'm resigned to the fact we're looking at essentially the same main players.
            Roy will be back on the team, and Vogel and Bird are trying to save his career by having him earn his minutes. Hibbert just has to learn to get his hands dirty, and do the job he is paid to do, which is so much more than rim protection. If the coaches want him to rebound, he needs to bust his *** and rebound, no more standing around waiting for the ball to land in his hands. If the coaches want Roy to set screens, then he needs to set a hard screen like a man. If Roy's job is defensive stopper, and he is being matched up with an overweight Al Jefferson, Roy needs to sack up and shut Al down. Roy has to have the mentality going forward, that it is never OK to get lit up by mediocre centers. It isn't that hard on what Roy needs to do get better
            Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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            • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

              Originally posted by LG33 View Post
              I hope you're right that when Hibbert leaves, the offense improves. I'm of the opinion that we don't score as well as we could because our entire offense is ******. Not enough ball movement and not enough player movement. No one knows how to properly set a pick or how to use a pick. Can't even make entry passes with any consistency. All that crap. Now, it may be that our offensive scheme is ****** because it's designed around Roy's strengths and weaknesses. Maybe Vogel will find a better offensive groove with a more mobile center. I just don't think Roy's out there ignoring the offensive playbook to burn clock and throw up wild shots. I think he's getting the opportunities he's supposed to get, but he just isn't making them at an acceptable rate.
              Yeah, I don't think this offense has ever been built around Roy. Vogel likes to see if he has it going at the beginning of the game, because when Roy is playing well on offense he is very difficult to stop. Outside of that though the offense is hardly built around Roy's strengths and weaknesses. If it is built around any single player's abilities it is built around West.

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              • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                I hope I'm remembering this correctly.

                Bird, when talking about West, at the 3:40 mark. "I think we can put him a position to do a lot better next year"

                Said the same thing about Hibbert at 13:01

                Why not move West to the 5. He's much faster at making decisions than Hibbert, a better passer and more physical as well. Play Hibbert as more of a 4. He does have a nice mid range shot.

                Bird also mentioned that he would like to see West and Scola play more together.

                I don't see West having an issue playing against a lot of the guys playing the 5. How would Hibbert match up on both sides of the ball if he was to play more of the traditional 4?

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                • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                  Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                  I hope I'm remembering this correctly.

                  Bird, when talking about West, at the 3:40 mark. "I think we can put him a position to do a lot better next year"

                  Said the same thing about Hibbert at 13:01

                  Why not move West to the 5. He's much faster at making decisions than Hibbert, a better passer and more physical as well. Play Hibbert as more of a 4. He does have a nice mid range shot.

                  Bird also mentioned that he would like to see West and Scola play more together.

                  I don't see West having an issue playing against a lot of the guys playing the 5. How would Hibbert match up on both sides of the ball if he was to play more of the traditional 4?
                  If you mean West playing in the low post more and Roy playing in the high post or further out, I think Vogel is ahead of you LOL. Defensively though, Hibbert isn't guarding any 4's.

                  Yeah, Bird did say he wants more West/Scola lineups, but defensively that combo was very bad when that happened. West is strong but not tall and our defense really suffers without rim protection.

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                  • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                    I don't think Roy is a good passer at all. Good passers, like Boris Diaw, are looking to pass once they get the ball. Roy is looking to score first, and will sometimes pass if he is in a bad position. I know that Roy's role is completely different than Diaw, but suggesting that Hibbert is a good passer is a big stretch.
                    Willingness to pass isn't the same thing as being a good passer.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      Willingness to pass isn't the same thing as being a good passer.
                      Yes and no. In a theoretical sense no. In a practical sense yes. If you don't pass it it doesn't really matter if you are a good passer or not.

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                      • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                        Yes and no. In a theoretical sense no. In a practical sense yes. If you don't pass it it doesn't really matter if you are a good passer or not.
                        I get that, but we'd need to talk about the changes in the role Roy was being asked to play for why the change in willingness.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                          I get that, but we'd need to talk about the changes in the role Roy was being asked to play for why the change in willingness.
                          I think the change was internal and Roy was just talking about himself when he said there were some selfish dudes.
                          Danger Zone

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                          • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                            Can Stanko run? Think i figured out the plan and future :-)

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                            • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                              I keep thinking of Bird's line about Lance not being around to steal Roy's rebounds. True or not, meant humorously or not, what was the origin of that statement?

                              Had one of the media guys written a piece where the subject was brought up?

                              Was he asked about it during a previous presser?

                              Was it locker room chatter that had made its way to Bird?

                              Again, true or not, where did he dig that up?

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                              • Re: 04-17-15 Season Ending Larry Bird and Frank Vogel Press Conference 11 AM

                                Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                                I keep thinking of Bird's line about Lance not being around to steal Roy's rebounds. True or not, meant humorously or not, what was the origin of that statement?

                                Had one of the media guys written a piece where the subject was brought up?

                                Was he asked about it during a previous presser?

                                Was it locker room chatter that had made its way to Bird?

                                Again, true or not, where did he dig that up?
                                That was an almost constant question asked during interviews and press conferences last season. Combine that with the ridiculous press Hibbert's "selfish dudes" comment brought up, and there was constant attention from the press about how closely tied the production of Hibbert and Lance was.
                                Time for a new sig.

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