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  • Trade Starting Dates?

    This may be out of place, so feel free to move it if necessary.
    If, as I suspect, both Hibbert and West opt in for next season, when can the FO start talking to other teams about trading their large expirings?
    Would that be a good move on the Pacers part or should we wait and use the expiring salaries ourself?

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    Re: Trade Starting Dates?

    I don't know when they can start making trades, however, there are always draft night trades. They have all ready talked to teams prior to the February trade deadline. The FO has a good idea of who may be interested and what they may be willing to give up.

    Personally, I don't think we will be able to trade Hibbert and I don't think the front office will want to trade West.

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      Re: Trade Starting Dates?

      Didn't Hibbert play really well the last few games? Lets see how he does in the playoffs (if we make it) before deciding to trade him. Lets see how the return of PG affects him before he dump him for nothing. Man I tell you what the people on this board really hate Hibbert and I just don't get it. Did we stop caring about defense around here?

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        Re: Trade Starting Dates?

        I'm not advocating trading Hibbert, or West for that matter. I' m just thinking about the value that is regularly assigned to expiring contracts in the League. In fact, my biggest gripe at our FO has been losing players with no return. I certainly don't want to see Roy fall into that list of guys. However, the Pacers have an owner who does not want to go over th LT and runs his team as a real business, so getting vaue for the players we develope is very important, IMO.

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          Re: Trade Starting Dates?

          Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
          Didn't Hibbert play really well the last few games? Lets see how he does in the playoffs (if we make it) before deciding to trade him. Lets see how the return of PG affects him before he dump him for nothing. Man I tell you what the people on this board really hate Hibbert and I just don't get it. Did we stop caring about defense around here?
          Inconsistency makes preparation tough for the entire team. Hibbert is, in a word, inconsistent. Badly.
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            Re: Trade Starting Dates?

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            Inconsistency makes preparation tough for the entire team. Hibbert is, in a word, inconsistent. Badly.
            The very reason I've never been a serious fan of Mahmini? The other players seem to try getting both Ian and now more and more Roy involved in the offense, but Ian's inability to catch a pass, make them a 4 headed attack. When Roy has those games that he can't keep his balance for the hook shot or even dunk, the other guys HAVE to make adjustments to their play calling.

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              Re: Trade Starting Dates?

              I believe you can discuss trades with any team that is done for the season, so after game 82 and for 8 more teams after game 7 of the 1st round et cetera












              P.S. DON'T turn this into another Hibbert thread or it gets moved to all things hibbert
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                Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                How quickly people forget how important D is to winning. I remember people whining how boring it was during the Carilse years when the team was only putting up 80 points a game while the rest of the league put up 100. But guess what we were winning. Then we put together a team that put up over 100 points a game but gave up 110. That was losing. Hibbert has no offense we know that, we don't need that from him we need his D. West, I don't know what to say about him. If he stays, fine. If he opts out, fine. Traded, fine. Ideally I would love David to say, "hey, I want to win a ring here in Indiana, I'm opting out and resigning for 6 mil." "Use the other 6 mil to get a SG."

                I know it probably won't happen, but a man can dream can't he.

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                  Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                  Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                  The very reason I've never been a serious fan of Mahmini? The other players seem to try getting both Ian and now more and more Roy involved in the offense, but Ian's inability to catch a pass, make them a 4 headed attack. When Roy has those games that he can't keep his balance for the hook shot or even dunk, the other guys HAVE to make adjustments to their play calling.
                  This year I think Ian's hands have been pretty good. He's caught some pretty tough passes to the point I'm no longer surprised.
                  BillS

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                    Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                    I actually hope Ian keeps improving. If he can stay healthy this offseason and work on his free throw shooting. He should be a good force to be reckoned with next year.
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                      Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                      Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                      This may be out of place, so feel free to move it if necessary.
                      If, as I suspect, both Hibbert and West opt in for next season, when can the FO start talking to other teams about trading their large expirings?
                      Would that be a good move on the Pacers part or should we wait and use the expiring salaries ourself?


                      I think West retires and Hibbert is dealt. Trades can be discussed as soon as the season is over and the playoffs begin. However... trades don't become OFFICIAL, until July 1st which is when free agency begins. So teams can agree in principle before then, but players can't visit or suit up for any new teams until July 1st.

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                        Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                        Originally posted by jrwannabe View Post
                        How quickly people forget how important D is to winning. I remember people whining how boring it was during the Carilse years when the team was only putting up 80 points a game while the rest of the league put up 100. But guess what we were winning. Then we put together a team that put up over 100 points a game but gave up 110. That was losing. Hibbert has no offense we know that, we don't need that from him we need his D. West, I don't know what to say about him. If he stays, fine. If he opts out, fine. Traded, fine. Ideally I would love David to say, "hey, I want to win a ring here in Indiana, I'm opting out and resigning for 6 mil." "Use the other 6 mil to get a SG."

                        I know it probably won't happen, but a man can dream can't he.

                        I do think you need to score, if you look at the teams that have won titles they were both good defenders and could score, they were rarely number one in both categories but were almost all top six or seven in BOTH, in the Carlisle years I felt we cared about D to the detriment of offense, to Rick's credit he changed big time in Dallas.

                        Part of the reason I love Stucky I want that instant offense off the bench, all championship teams have that, they also have a guy who comes in and camps at the three point line and shoots threes (think Big shot Rob, Steve Kerr, Paxson, heck even Big Smooth helped us get to the finals) so I wish Vogel would have used Cope that way.

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                          Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                          Originally posted by able View Post
                          I believe you can discuss trades with any team that is done for the season, so after game 82 and for 8 more teams after game 7 of the 1st round et cetera
                          I think that's right but Hibbert and West can't be traded until they opt in.

                          In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

                          When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.
                          http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

                          Where it could get interesting is if West informs the Pacers that he intends to opt out but doesn't actually opt out. Could the following scenario happen? The Pacers ask him to opt in and then retire after a trade. The Pacers trade him to a team looking to shed payroll immediately. He then retires or is bought out for a small % of his contract. That scenario would help the Pacers get something out of West's contract immediately, would help the other team move a bad contract (I have one in mind but I'm not going to mention who it is) and could put a few extra dollars in West's pocket if he intends to retire anyway.

                          Just something I've been wondering about.


                          Originally posted by able View Post
                          P.S. DON'T turn this into another Hibbert thread or it gets moved to all things hibbert
                          I hope you wouldn't do that, it seems unfair to the person who created the thread. I'd rather see the off topic stuff cleaned out.

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                            Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                            Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                            I do think you need to score, if you look at the teams that have won titles they were both good defenders and could score, they were rarely number one in both categories but were almost all top six or seven in BOTH, in the Carlisle years I felt we cared about D to the detriment of offense, to Rick's credit he changed big time in Dallas.

                            Part of the reason I love Stucky I want that instant offense off the bench, all championship teams have that, they also have a guy who comes in and camps at the three point line and shoots threes (think Big shot Rob, Steve Kerr, Paxson, heck even Big Smooth helped us get to the finals) so I wish Vogel would have used Cope that way.


                            I think the reason Cope hasn't been used like that is that Damo has proved he's a better basketball player in every way this season. He shoots lights out, can handle the ball a bit and isn't nearly as bad as Cope on D. I REALLY like Rudež. I think he's an integral part of the team moving forward, as much as any of the other bench guys.

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                              Re: Trade Starting Dates?

                              Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                              Didn't Hibbert play really well the last few games? Lets see how he does in the playoffs (if we make it) before deciding to trade him. Lets see how the return of PG affects him before he dump him for nothing. Man I tell you what the people on this board really hate Hibbert and I just don't get it. Did we stop caring about defense around here?
                              Without turning it into a Hibbert discussion I'll just say I think a lot of people are tired of specialist who can only do one thing. I'll throw Roy in there but it could easily also be said about Chris Copeland as well. Before Rudez improved across the board you could have thrown him in there but I think that is what has separated Chris and Damo is that Damo kept improving his overall game and Chris just never became anything more than he was and when that one thing started to falter people grew disenchanted with him.


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