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2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

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  • #1

    2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

    MRIdiculous



    -VS-


    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: Z. Zarba, C. Blair, M. Lindsay

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Cleveland Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / FOX Sports Ohio
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / WTAM 1100 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you
    23-34
    Home: 12-14
    East: 15-16
    36-22
    Away: 15-13
    East: 23-11
    Mar 01
    Mar 04
    Mar 06
    Mar 07
    6:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:30pm
    HIBBERT
    WEST
    MILES
    HILL
    HILL
    MOZGOV
    LOVE
    JAMES
    SMITH
    SHUMPERT


    PACERS
    Paul George - Fractured Right Tibia/Fibula (out)

    CAVALIERS
    Kyrie Irving - MRI (out)
    Shawn Marion - Left Hip Strain (out)
    Anderson Varejao - Left Achilles Tendon Rupture (out)



    Kevin Draper: Dan Gilbert Didn't Like A Yahoo Blog Post, So Yahoo Deleted It

    Quicken Loans is a predatory lender. It's impossible to read the numerous lawsuits against the
    mortgage company and conclude otherwise. So when Kelly Dwyer, the editor of Yahoo's popular
    NBA blog Ball Don't Lie, made an offhand joke about that fact in a post last year, he would have
    had no reason to think twice.

    The owner of Quicken Loans, though, is Dan Gilbert, also owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers and a
    man whose vanity is exceeded only by his pettiness. According to multiple sources, after Gilbert
    read Dwyer's post, he and his chief legal counsel called Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer directly to
    complain about a snarky line that read something like "Predatory Lender Quicken Loans Arena."
    We're not sure precisely what it said, because barely any traces of it remain online. Mayer
    ordered the post deleted immediately.

    This wasn't just a case of Mayer responding to the whim of a powerful businessman by pitching
    something unflattering down the well. Not only had Gilbert's Quicken Loans just become a brand
    partner of Mayer's Yahoo, but this incident immediately followed on a series of corporate
    maneuvers seemingly designed to make Yahoo's newsroom an instrument of its marketing
    operation. The system did not malfunction; the system worked as designed.

    On March 3, the day before Kelly Dwyer published his post, Quicken Loans announced a
    partnership with Yahoo, in which the listing tech giant would be the "technology provider" for a
    billion-dollar March Madness bracket contest. In the event that a contestant filled out a perfect
    bracket—something so unlikely it makes playing the lotto seem like a sound investment—
    Quicken Loans would pay out a billion-dollar award. There were also guaranteed $100,000 prizes
    for the 20 best "imperfect" brackets, by far the biggest prize of any online bracket contest. The
    contest was capped at 15 million entrants, all of whom were required to register for a Yahoo
    account to participate.

    As Dan Gilbert was sealing the agreement with Yahoo, he was also planning a jersey-retirement
    ceremony for Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Media and fans wondered whether Gilbert would invite Miami
    Heat star LeBron James, who had played with Big Z for eight seasons and regarded the center
    as a friend and mentor. Adding to the drama was the increasingly live-seeming possibility that
    James might use his pending free agency to return to Cleveland, which he had famously left in
    2010.

    It was Dwyer's post about this brewing controversy that contained the line that so enraged
    Gilbert that he summoned counsel and called Marissa Mayer. Here is a link to the post; as
    you'll notice, it's dead. The post itself is gone, and while it unquestionably existed, the only
    evidence that it did are fragments of information scattered across the internet, like these
    tweets from Yahoo Sports and Dwyer promoting it.

    The post was deleted so soon after going live—within a few hours is our best guess—that it
    wasn't even captured by the Internet Archive, or cached by Google, or preserved anywhere
    else that we can find online. The only text we have from the post is the first two sentences,
    automatically scraped by the media website Muck Rack:
    As a player, Zydrunas Ilgauskas eased his 7-3 frame into influencing
    several different iterations of Cleveland Cavalier squads. As a knockout
    rookie in 1997-98, he was able to claim that he played alongside
    Shawn Kemp in Kemp's final year as an in-shape professional.

    Something in the post—and going by the best recollections of people who read it, it couldn't
    have been anything other than the above-mentioned banal, accurate crack about how the
    Cavaliers' home court could just as well be known as Predatory Lender Arena—inspired
    Gilbert's call to Mayer, and Mayer's order for it to be taken down entirely, according to
    multiple Yahoo sources.

    The day after Gilbert's call was the weekly Yahoo editorial meeting, bringing together editors
    from the various Yahoo media properties. According to a source with direct knowledge of the
    meeting, Kathy Savitt—Yahoo's chief marketing officer—explained what had happened to
    everyone in the room and expressed a desire to fire Dwyer. The stunned and disbelieving
    editors present convinced her to form an editorial committee that would decide Dwyer's fate,
    but weren't sure this would work as anything but a stalling tactic. One source, who wasn't
    present as Savitt laid down her decree, spoke of a "buzz" going around among editors that
    Dwyer would be fired for having angered a brand partner.

    A Yahoo spokesperson, asked to comment on these events, provided the following
    statement:
    Our editors have full oversight over editorial decisions related to Yahoo's
    media properties and regularly review content to ensure we are meeting
    our standards for accuracy, fairness, taste and good judgment.

    Dan Gilbert did not respond to multiple e-mails. Kelly Dwyer told me, "Good luck with the
    story, and have a merry Valentine's Day." When I pressed, he responded, "Seriously, it's
    Phil Collins' birthday. I can't be bothered." It was indeed Phil Collins's birthday.

    Two months before Dwyer's post was memory-holed, Marissa Mayer, Yahoo's celebrity
    executive, fired her second-in-command and announced in a memo that Kathy Savitt would
    "lead our media and editorial functions." The next day, Jai Singh, Yahoo's editor-in-chief,
    quit. Whereas Singh had been the editor-in-chief of CNET and managing editor of The
    Huffington Post, Savitt's last experience with journalism, according to her LinkedIn profile,
    had taken place 30 years previously, at The Cornellian. At the time of the change, Re/code's
    Kara Swisher explained its grim implications:
    Appointing a marketing person to be in charge of editorial is probably
    enough of a reason for many journalists to run screaming from the
    building, but it's not clear what prompted Singh's exit. In addition,
    Savitt has a very mixed reputation — and this is me being polite —
    inside Yahoo. One of the few canonical principles of journalism is that
    the integrity of an editorial operation depends on a church-and-state
    separation between it and advertising. Writing is supposed to remain
    apart from and independent of advertising considerations. Even in a
    cynical reading of the tradition, that editorial and advertising work at
    cross-purposes is in the end an asset, not a liability, for the marketing
    department; this is what provides the credibility that advertisers are
    essentially trying to buy or least borrow when they place an
    advertisement.

    But at the editorial meeting the day after the post was deleted, according to a source, Savitt
    was utterly incredulous that Dwyer would have insulted Quicken Loans so soon after a major
    agreement had been signed with them. This makes no sense on multiple levels—Dwyer
    probably didn't even know about the brand agreement when he wrote his post because Yahoo
    is a huge company and Dwyer has nothing to do with March Madness brackets, and even if he
    did know about it, his job is to write interesting and true stories, not to promote the interests
    of Yahoo's advertisers—but so it goes...CONTINUE READING DEADSPIN


    Pacers
    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Cavaliers
    Chris B. Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
    Bob Finnan @BobCavsinsider
    John Krolik @JohnKrolik
    Conrad Kaczmarek @ConradKazNBA
    Brendan Bowers @BowersCLE
    Angelo Benedetti @CavsFangelo
    This is the darkest timeline.
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  • #2
    Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

    Time to take advantage of Irving being out.

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    • #3
      Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

      Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
      Time to take advantage of Irving being out.
      We've had a lucky break on injuries lately. Too bad we couldn't take advantage of it against the Thunder.

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      • #4
        Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        We've had a lucky break on injuries lately. Too bad we couldn't take advantage of it against the Thunder.
        Not having a good pick and roll player along with George Hill hurt us against the Thunder. Suns really exposed Kanter's defensive liabilities when they just ran pick and roll with Beldsoe and Len.

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        • #5
          Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

          Don't forget, it's a FLO JO night!

          Let's keep that streak alive, baby.

          Plus, you know, beating LeBron is always super satisfying.

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          • #6
            Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

            I'll be slangin' drinks tonight so I won't be able to watch much of the game, but Go Pacers, and hopefully they pull this one out.

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            • #7
              Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

              LeBron isn't playing.
              There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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              • #8
                Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                Just read that no Kyrie and no Lebron

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                • #9
                  Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                  @JJFSINDIANA: LeBron will sit out tonight...rest per coach Blatt

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                    Wow, this has turned into a very winnable game, and all the fanboys will be dissapointed. This is good news on several levels.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                      Want to see a win tonite!
                      Go Pacers!

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                        Cavs have 7 games in 10 days coming, makes sense to sit Lebron. But I'm gonna go with the version that say Lebron's scared of us.
                        Last edited by Heisenberg; 02-27-2015, 05:59 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                          So we have dodged Steph, Durant, Kyrie, and Lebron. This brutal three game stretch turned. Hopefully we can take two of three.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                            Pacers or House of Cards.

                            Hmmmm.
                            https://twitter.com/DrogsNavan

                            Change is neither good or bad, it simply is.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2/27/15 Game Thread #58: Pacers vs. Cavaliers

                              Great news for the Pacers but I admit if I went to that game to see LeBron/Kyrie I'd be real pissed off right now.

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