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Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

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  • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by Speed View Post
    I say no to this. Trading DWest is punting this year, but also maybe punting making a serious run next year, imo. TRoss seems like a really inefficient guy who can volume score at times. It's a late First Rounder which can usually be bought for a million in alot of drafts. I like Amir Johnson even though he's a back up bench guy on the downside, but he's that physical hustle player I have always liked, but also a Free Agent type you could get in the offseason if you choose. So, the value is that you can make Ross better and get lucky on the late 1st rounder? I get that you need to get something for him now and I'm for making cap space, I just know how hard it is to almost get to the mountain top and this is a step back, imo.

    If DWest said this is my last year, then absolutley, but if not, you have him on a for sure expiring a year from now and he should still have trade value, imo.

    All that said, I could see Bird doing this with Pritchard advising. Pritchard has to be chomping at the bit to do anything at this point.

    Lastly, even though I think we've seen a decline in DWest a bit, I don't think its drastic. He is the leadership and toughness on this team, a HUGE part of thier identity. Just know you're trading that as much or more than the 17 foot money jumper.

    Late 1st's for a mil? IIRC, Herb paid more than that for the 2nd rd pick to acquire Orlando Johnson. 1st's can be sold for up to 3 mil, so 1 mil sounds awfully cheap. Just not sure where you are coming up with this comment. If it has happened, my guess is it hasn't been very often.

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    • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

      This should end all Dragic talks on this board


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      • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

        Originally posted by cdash View Post
        ..there's no ****ing way D'Angelo Russell is falling to or past #6.
        But what if he falls to almost 6???

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        • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

          Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
          This should end all Dragic talks on this board


          I think that will change if they get a true feeling that he's leaving. Their ask will come down.

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          • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Late 1st's for a mil? IIRC, Herb paid more than that for the 2nd rd pick to acquire Orlando Johnson. 1st's can be sold for up to 3 mil, so 1 mil sounds awfully cheap. Just not sure where you are coming up with this comment. If it has happened, my guess is it hasn't been very often.
            I'm too lazy to research it and try to find proof, so I'll just retract it. That's probably wrong anyway.

            Let me say this much. If I'm a GM those late first rounders are tough since its guranteed money, I'd rather have an early 2nd. Especially if you don't really like any of the players there. I think its why you see teams draft overseas players and stash them.

            I thought I remembered that teams would try to dump these picks, but I could be mistaken. I still believe late first rounders aren't super valuable, unless its like you say, I'll trade you the 8th and 24th to move up to 5.

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            • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

              Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
              So crazy high he reached for a marginal backup power forward instead.
              I think he was trying to swing a move to get both by getting another 1st rounder IIRC. And yep, he whiffed on Tyler.

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              • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                I'm too lazy to research it and try to find proof, so I'll just retract it. That's probably wrong anyway.

                Let me say this much. If I'm a GM those late first rounders are tough since its guranteed money, I'd rather have an early 2nd. Especially if you don't really like any of the players there. I think its why you see teams draft overseas players and stash them.

                I thought I remembered that teams would try to dump these picks, but I could be mistaken. I still believe late first rounders aren't super valuable, unless its like you say, I'll trade you the 8th and 24th to move up to 5.
                Times have change. First round contracts used to be 3 guaranteed years and 1 option year; it's now 2 guaranteed years and 2 option years. Also, the 4 years of controlled cost is now viewed as a positive. So much so that many 2nd rounders are now being signed to first round style contracts (2 guaranteed years + 2 option years). Lance, for one, signed such a contract.

                It used to be that late 1st's were available for $3m cash (max amount of cash that can be traded), but I believe no first rounder has been sold in the last 3 drafts. During Solo's draft year (a particularly weak year) there were first rounders traded for a 2nd rounder and cash, that was the closest to first rounders being bought in recent times.

                Seriously, first rounders are so overvalued now, it's stupid.

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                • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                  I'd rather West opt out next year, than get strapped with a average wing player.

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                  • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                    Oh yeah . Whos paying West a contract more than what we pay him next year?

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                    • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
                      This should end all Dragic talks on this board

                      Sources: Suns want to keep and re-sign Dragic, but to even consider a deal, they would minimally want player w/ All-Star potential and pick.
                      — Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) February 17, 2015
                      Good luck with that, Phoenix.

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                      • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                        Last thing I will add because it feels like I often repeat myself in this thread but, this is pretty much how simple it is with me, agree or not that is fine.

                        Are the chances that we will win a championship with West in the next two years greater than the chances we he have to win a championship with Ross and 9 million extra to spend in the future. I personally think the second is more likely, there is so much more that we could add, and I tend to like adding players whose game will can/will improve over ones that are more likely to go in the opposite way.

                        I should add that right now West is doing fine and has some value, but it will drop off by a decent amount when PG comes back. Anyways good discussion, here is to 3 more days of waiting around, I doubt the Pacers will end up doing anything though.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                          Originally posted by Shade View Post
                          Good luck with that, Phoenix.
                          They are allowed to say that, but they won't get that.
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            Good luck with that, Phoenix.
                            Gerald Green had all star potential, but he was never going to reach it, lol.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
                              David West is putting better numbers up this year, than he did in 2011-2012. He's pitting better numbers up this year, than last year!! He shot 48% last year. He's shooting 48% this year.

                              I'm not getting any of this.
                              I don't disagree with you on the numbers at all however there is a real inherent danger in just looking at numbers and thinking that it equals total production. There have been several instances this season of players getting rebounds because David does not do the basic fundamental move of blocking out and even on occasion when he has sometimes other players just jump over him to tip it away because he is firmly planted on terra firma. It pains me to defend Roy but there have been at least 2 game losing plays that David has either contributed to or been directly responsible for doing by not rotating when Roy rotates to defend the driver. It is Roy's job in our defense to rotate to protect the rim so it is David's job to rotate to defend Roy's man and David simply put is not fast enough to do it.

                              Now I say that with the full admission that since he was abused by Detroit's front line that he has really done a good job on the boards. In fact his rebounding vs the Spurs was inspiring and one of the best strength/positional rebounding games I've seen in years from anyone.

                              I guess overall what I'm saying is that really we can't just look at his stat line to place a full value on him, and yes that goes the other way as well. He does do things that don't show up on a stat line as well so he deserves credit for those.

                              But overall I think Father time is the concern to some of us and looking to get an asset/s instead of just letting him walk seems like a better idea.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • Re: Official Feb 19th 3pm EST Trade Deadline Thread 2014-2015 - Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                                Last thing I will add because it feels like I often repeat myself in this thread but, this is pretty much how simple it is with me, agree or not that is fine.

                                Are the chances that we will win a championship with West in the next two years greater than the chances we he have to win a championship with Ross and 9 million extra to spend in the future. I personally think the second is more likely, there is so much more that we could add, and I tend to like adding players whose game will can/will improve over ones that are more likely to go in the opposite way.

                                I should add that right now West is doing fine and has some value, but it will drop off by a decent amount when PG comes back. Anyways good discussion, here is to 3 more days of waiting around, I doubt the Pacers will end up doing anything though.
                                What will drop off by a decent amount when PG13 comes back?

                                His production or his trade value?

                                If it's his production, how do you know that his production will drop? I agree that it will drop by a little simply cuz he won't be the automatic 1st/2nd option anymore......but he should still settle down to his regular production. Keep in mind, West seemed to play like his "old self" when GH returned. How do we know that he won't play the same with the addition of another Starter to draw the attention of the defense?

                                As for his trade value, I think that his trade value will remain the same......he will be more valuable to the Pacers than he will be too other Teams. This, as you and others suggest, may be the main reason why Bird may be fielding trade offers but will be why West won't be traded.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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