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    Default Who should be getting the minutes?

    Quite frankly, to me, anybody Rick says. I think he and his staff have gone beyond any expectation I had.
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    Default Re: Who should be getting the minutes?

    Hard to complain about minutes when the team is winning. I would like to see them maybe rest Harrington's knee a bit and see what Bender can do. I think both things would help us come playoff time.

    Harrington's Knee would be better and Bender would have more PT.

    But other than that and seeing Kenny play JUST ONE FREAKING GAME as the backup pg I am good with it.

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    I have the utmost in confidence with this coaching staff.

    if they said they want to try Pollard at the point guard, I might question that, but in the end if they think it will work, go to it.

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    Default Re: Who should be getting the minutes?

    How can anyone possibly complain when Carlisle is playing 9 - 10 players (with Ron out anyway) and each player is getting 10 minutes or more per game?

    That strategy keeps the subs involved, and it also gives the bench players court time to develop.

    If nothing else, it gives other teams the opportunity to see our bench players perform, making it much easier to swing a trade this summer.

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    Default Re: Who should be getting the minutes?

    How can anyone possibly complain when Carlisle is playing 9 - 10 players (with Ron out anyway) and each player is getting 10 minutes or more per game?

    That strategy keeps the subs involved, and it also gives the bench players court time to develop.

    If nothing else, it gives other teams the opportunity to see our bench players perform, making it much easier to swing a trade this summer.
    I'd like to see Brezac get some minutes, but I have no complaints with the way the minutes are doled out.

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    But we'll need to pare down to an eight-man rotation for the playoffs - especially in the first round against a team with inferior depth.

    This is normally the time of the season when coaches begin to tighten the rotations, and we can't right now because of Ron's injury. I hope this doesn't come back and bite us in the @$$ when we're playing Cleveland in the first round and Paul Silas plays LeBron and Boozer 48 minutes every game.
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    But we'll need to pare down to an eight-man rotation for the playoffs - especially in the first round against a team with inferior depth.

    This is normally the time of the season when coaches begin to tighten the rotations, and we can't right now because of Ron's injury. I hope this doesn't come back and bite us in the @$$ when we're playing Cleveland in the first round and Paul Silas plays LeBron and Boozer 48 minutes every game.
    Teams "tighten the rotation" because they DON"T HAVE 10 GOOD PLAYERS, and don't want to play a "lessor" talent when it really counts.

    We DO have 10 good players and that will be a HUGE advantage against ANYONE trying to play 40 minutes!
    Wait and see.
    I agree, this could actually just be a bonus for us. Carlisle has usually used the tactic on star players of throwing a lot of people at them; constantly having a defender with fresh legs on him.

    We can alternate Ron and Freddie on smaller guards, Ron and Al on bigger guards/forwards. JO/Al/Jeff on bigger forwards, JO/Foster/Pollard on centers.

    Even at PG we can try Tinsley (who no longer sucks on D), Johnson, Jones.

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    But we'll need to pare down to an eight-man rotation for the playoffs - especially in the first round against a team with inferior depth.

    This is normally the time of the season when coaches begin to tighten the rotations, and we can't right now because of Ron's injury. I hope this doesn't come back and bite us in the @$$ when we're playing Cleveland in the first round and Paul Silas plays LeBron and Boozer 48 minutes every game.
    Teams "tighten the rotation" because they DON"T HAVE 10 GOOD PLAYERS, and don't want to play a "lessor" talent when it really counts.

    We DO have 10 good players and that will be a HUGE advantage against ANYONE trying to play 40 minutes!
    Wait and see.

    Years ago, I agreed with you.

    Almost every year since the early-1990's, we've played a playoff series in which we arguably had more "depth", believed it gave us an "advantage" because our players would be fresher, and still lost to a team playing its key player(s) more minutes per game.

    There's only one or two back-to-backs in the entire EC playoff schedule - although one of them is usually games #3 and #4 (Saturday/Sunday) of the EC semis between the #1 and #4 seeds. So there's plenty of time to rest/ recover between games.

    Last year is a fine example, we had a better team and superior depth, but Pierce and Walker played virtually the entire game every game AND were superior in the fourth quarter to our players that were getting more rest.

    IOW, the Pacers have been playing this "depth" card for years - we can exclude Isiah's first two seasons because we were the eighth seed - and we have exactly zero championships to show for it.

    I can rattle off many, many times it hasn't worked. In fact, the Bulls, Lakers, and Spurs championship teams could hardly be considered "deep" - the top six or seven players dominated the minutes in the playoffs.
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    Depth is less important in the playoff. At least quantity of depth is less important. Quality of your bench is more important. If a team has two or three quality guys coming off the bench, guys that are in some cases better than the starters that is huge

    Each series is different, and different players are needed.

    Look at 2000. Croshere was huge in the Lakers series. dale was huge in the Knicks series.

    if the Pacers play the Cavs in the first round. Pollard will be key and he'll get minutes. If the pacers play the Heat, Pollard likely won't play

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    I think Rick is doing a fine job, but because this thread is brought up and nobody wants to say anything bad about Rick, I will.

    It really isn't even bad but I think it is a concern.

    People here have talked about our backcourt defense problems and have basically given the response of we need an upgrade, especially at point.
    This is an area where I think Rick does have an answer to backcourt defense, Ziggy.

    Ziggy isn't starter material we know that, but what won him a spot on the team is his defense. He is big quick and has the tools to hound the quick guards that break us down.

    Some of us remember seeing Ziggy in action when he first came to the team. He hound his man with the intensity that reminds you a little of Artest. We could use that coming off the bench, or as a specialist.
    He would pick up fouls but also help keep the opposing quick guards from getting in a flow and forcing our bigs from giving up rebounding postion to cover our guards. He would not make great offensive plays, just get the offense started and not shy away from an open jumpshot.

    Rick really didn't play him unless he had to. I know minutes are real tight at the point but being able to somehow bother Jason Kidd, Baron Davis, Starybury and even little TJ Ford is important.

    With the way things are now, I don't think Ziggy would be ready to help us without getting 15 games in before the playoffs start. It might not make sense to go into the playoffs with 4 point guards but I think Zig can address that one problem that could determine how well we do.

    Well thats it basically. Other than that Rick is doing a fine job.

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    Default Re: Who should be getting the minutes?

    People here have talked about our backcourt defense problems and have basically given the response of we need an upgrade, especially at point.

    This is an area where I think Rick does have an answer to backcourt defense, Ziggy.
    From what I perceive, I don't think Brewer will see any more P.T. with the Pacers. I think Carlisle will use Tinsley, Johnson and Anderson, in that order.

    If a defensive stopper is needed, I think Carlisle will insert Freddie at the SG or SF and have him guard the problematic opposing guard.

    Brewer was re-signed before Carlisle became coach. After a brief trial period when some of our PGs were injured, I think it is now apparent that he doesn't fit into Rick's plans. Since Tinsley and Johnson are the carryovers into next season, I doubt Brewer will be re-signed again.

    If the Bobcats are looking at backup PGs, then Brewer would be one that they could sign cheaply that could provide great defense in spot minutes at the guard position.

    But barring injuries, he may not play another minute for the Pacers.

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