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1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

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  • 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

    TOO BIG YO


    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 9:00 PM ET
    Where: EnergySolutions Arena, Salt Lake City, UT
    Officials: J. Goble, M. Ayotte, J. Van Duyne

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Utah Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / ROOT Sports
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / KZNS 1280 AM, 97.5 FM and KTUB 1600 AM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    13-22
    Away: 6-13
    West: 5-12
    12-22
    Home: 6-10
    East: 6-10
    Jan 07
    Jan 09
    Jan 10
    Jan 13
    10:30pm
    7:00pm
    7:30pm
    7:00pm
    HIBBERT
    WEST
    HILL
    STUCKEY
    SLOAN
    GOBERT
    FAVORS
    HAYWARD
    INGLES
    BURKE


    PACERS
    Paul George - Fractured Right Tibia/Fibula (out)
    George Hill – Sore Left Groin (Day-to-Day)
    Ian Mahinmi – Torn Left Plantar Fascia (out)
    CJ Watson - Sore Left Foot (Day-to-Day)

    JAZZ
    Alec Burks – left shoulder injury (out)
    Patrick Christopher – dislocated right patella (out)
    Rodney Hood – left foot inflammation (out)
    Enes Kanter – sprained right ankle (out)
    Toure’ Murry – D-League Assignment (out)



    NBA Youth Academy: An alternative to AAU and NCAA basketball development

    Much of the talk this NBA recently has been about tanking, the draft, expanding the D-
    League, and the NCAA age limit — and most recently, issues with AAU ball. Ideas on how
    to tweak or even dramatically change the draft process have ranged from the draft wheel
    to abolishing the draft and making rookies free agents. Each has its merits — to differing
    degrees — and each has its issues. I propose an idea that would change the entire
    development process of youth basketball players and remove the draft from existence.

    The NBA Youth Academy.

    The concept is to create a centralized NBA Youth Academy that is operated by the NBA
    and funded by all 30 teams. The NBA would open a private high school — somewhere
    large enough to accommodate a school building for up to 3000 students along with
    student housing and basketball facilities for all 30 teams — and would undergo the full
    accreditation process for whatever state or region they are located in — this requires
    meeting set curriculum, faculty, and facility requirements set by state law.

    This idea draws on how European soccer teams operate youth academies that serve as
    development grounds for young players. Soccer organizations that get these young
    players into their youth academies to develop them in their playing style and tailor their
    skills for the highest level are able to have a smoother transition when bringing young
    players onto their main squad.

    Barcelona does this exceptionally well with their academy La Masia, which produced
    eleven players currently on their roster, including Gerard Pique, Xavi, Pedro, and Lionel
    Messi. The success Barcelona has had with their youth academy is greater than most,
    and this comes through their financial commitment to ensure that facilities and
    academic and athletic instructors are the best available. The financial cost for La Masia
    in 2009 was estimated to be around 5 million Euros (per Reuters), and included the
    cost of the school and all of the facilities.

    The goal for the NBA Youth Academy would be to create a similar system on a much
    larger scale. The school itself would be funded equally by all 30 teams and the league
    to split costs of facilities and faculty — the initial building cost would be by far the
    largest financial hurdle to climb in this process as it would take millions and millions of
    dollars to build all of the educational, athletic, and housing facilities necessary.

    The NBA Youth Academy would be open to only high school students (Grades 9-12) for
    cost reasons and because it’s too difficult to predict height and size at a younger age
    — something of critical importance to basketball that isn’t in soccer. Similarly to the
    soccer academies, prospective players would be able to apply to join the academy and
    teams would also be scouting prospective talent for the academy; and, like La Masia,
    the program would be entirely funded by scholarships provided by the teams to ensure
    that players from all financial backgrounds could have the opportunity to attend.

    Teams would be able to offer high school players from ninth grade to twelfth grade
    scholarships — covering tuition, board, food, etc. — to come to their youth preparatory
    academy. This obviously makes operating expenses much higher for the organization,
    but would be necessary to be able to invite the best talent no matter their financial
    situation. The teams would be the ones funding the scholarships, which allows them to
    put as much funding into their development program as they’d like on top of the
    mandatory amount each team would pay for facilities and faculty.

    Teams would be able to offer up to 100 scholarships and students they bring in would
    be classified into grade groups which would make up the teams. Each grade group
    would operate like a league and the 30 teams — or however many have enough
    students in that grade group to field a team — would play against each other for the
    season. Should a team not have enough players to field a full team — 8 players
    minimum — for a grade level, those students would practice and teams would be able
    to schedule intrasquad scrimmages to give them more experience — this is more likely
    in the younger groups where teams would be more likely to have smaller groups.

    Those students would be on a strict schedule to balance school and basketball, with
    mandated study hours to ensure that the experience is not just an advancement of
    their basketball growth but also their academic development. Maintaining grades
    would be a requirement for keeping scholarships as well as passing the necessary
    standardized testing that would be mandated by the state in which the academy is
    located. The educational aspect of the academy would be vital to it’s success because
    a vast majority of students, if the population comes even close to the 3000 max,
    would not make the NBA and would still need the opportunity to go to college should
    they choose.

    The idea of the youth academy is that it allows teams to develop players skills to
    best fit the NBA game — something that the high school and AAU levels often fail to
    do — pitting the best young talent from around the world against each other on a
    regular basis, creating an ideal scouting environment. WIth regards to health and
    fitness, these players would have access to elite training staffs that would be
    tremendous for their physical development and each team would operate their own
    dining hall which provides an opportunity to keep the students on a much more
    regimented diet than they receive in high school. From a basketball development
    perspective, the players would be playing for top-level coaches that would build
    their fundamental skill-set as well as honing their skills for the style of the NBA.

    The biggest problem with scouting... READ MORE AT HARDWOOD PAROXYSM


    Pacers
    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Jazz
    Aaron Falk @tribjazz
    Spencer Ryan Hall @saltcityhoops
    SLC Dunk @slcdunk
    Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
    Tracy Weissenberg @basketballista
    Amar @AllThatAmar

    This is the darkest timeline.

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    Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

    I nominate Joe Ingles as the guy who makes white guys look back at their own ball playing days and think they could have made the NBA.

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      Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

      Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
      I nominate Joe Ingles as the guy who makes white guys look back at their own ball playing days and think they could have made the NBA.
      I know that Burks is out for the season....but who the EFF is Joe Ingles?

      I've never even heard of that guy.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz




        Kind of incredible to think that Coach Frank would be the Pacers coach with most NBA wins pretty soon.

        ETA: ^I looked it up, that's just regular season wins. Counting postseason wins, he's already surpassed Carlisle, but still about 20 games behind Brown.
        Last edited by wintermute; 01-05-2015, 08:14 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

          Burke is sick and might not play.

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            Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

            Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
            I nominate Joe Ingles as the guy who makes white guys look back at their own ball playing days and think they could have made the NBA.
            An Australian white guy that looks to be about 45.

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              Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
              An Australian white guy that looks to be about 45.
              I've seen him play in the NBL (Aussie league) years ago and he is highly regarded in Australia. Not trying to sell the guy, he is a bench role player at best but beware he is deceptively athletic and is pretty long so can pose a few problems on defense

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              • #8
                Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                I'd like to see David West do some work in the paint.

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                  Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                  Originally posted by glasket View Post
                  I've seen him play in the NBL (Aussie league) years ago and he is highly regarded in Australia. Not trying to sell the guy, he is a bench role player at best but beware he is deceptively athletic and is pretty long so can pose a few problems on defense
                  If you are a serious international basketball fan, you should probably know who he is.

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                    Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                    I am a little surprised we didn't dtart the game out pounding the paint, especially after we were so jumper happy last game.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                      With 6 head fakes Gobert will be out of the game.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                        There you go Rudy, keep fouling

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                        • #13
                          Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                          Roy's going to foul out the entire Jazz front-court.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                            I hope we stay this committed to pounding the paint all game.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 1/5/15 Game Thread #36: Pacers vs. Jazz

                              Lord, Stuckey hurt. The hits keep coming.

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