Hopefully, Paul learned from the veteran move by Pierce as timing of the foul was perfect. And Pierce knows he won't be called out in that time of a game 9/10 times.
For George to have any chance for a call, he should have gone up for the ball. There was no foul. But, fouls should be called at any time in a game that they occur. So, I agree that the survey was not worded appropriately.
Doesn't matter if it was a foul or not. It's not going to get called.
I say it is a foul, for 2 reasons:
1. Pierce grabbed Paul's jersey when he was going around the screen. Foul.
2. Paul got to the spot first, began to lift, and Pierce backed into him, pushing him out of the play. It wasn't like Pierce was simply hilding his position, he got to the spot late (foul) and pushed Paul off (foul). EDIT: Also, Pierce wasn't making a play on the ball. He simply pushes Paul out of the way with his ***.
However, I hate to see a game end on that call. Yet, a foul is a foul. So, yeah, you have to call that. That, or make it a rule that a guy has to either a) make more than $17M a seasons or b) be bleeding, in order to call a late foul.
Now that I see that from the TV angle, George Hill deserves a lot of the blame for that IMO; Paul George made his cut and Hill did not pass him the ball until it was at least 1-1.5 seconds too late. If he had thrown that as Paul was finishing his move, I think PG would have jumped up to grab it. At least in that case there's some chance the ball goes in or he gets the foul. But he makes his move and then is stuck flat footed before Hill throws him the ball.
Paul George also did a horrible job picking Hibbert's man also wh9ich caused the whole play to break down. Also Roy did a horrible job by not waiting on Paul's pick.
Refs aren't going to make that call because it had no chance because the pacers ran it horribly.
I still don't think it is a foul at any point during a game.
The Pierce travel was because Paul George clearly pulled him. Denari and Buckner were in clear agreement. The out of bounds was a horrible call, but luckily they didn't end of scoring on that possession so it doesn't matter. When was Lance thrown to the floor?
Also, I agree with what derek said about the OJ play.
That is one specific time where it confuses me when people say Quinn is a homer. PG had his hand on Pierce, but I don't think he pulled him at all. If you get pulled by the arm, you're arm goes first, then your body reacts. Unless PP was pulling away from PG, his arm would have extended before he got pulled off balance.
Quinn says it a lot with pushes in the back. Just because a hand is there, doesn't automatically mean they're pushing or pulling.
My bad, I had only read the title and Bucks post. I wasn't even thinking of that play being the last (woo is me lol). I was thinking of the last play in which it lost the game for us, the one before when Pierce was on offense and threw an forearm / elbow into Paul's face and Paul's face done a 180 degree and took him out of the play for the Celtics to score and win the game. I most certainly don't think the .5 second play was a foul, hell I wasn't even recognizing this play as there wasn't even a question of a foul to discuss. I took it for granted that it was the other. Can I change my vote now!!!
Sorry for the mess up! :) OMG :blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
I honestly dont think i would have called it, but that is a foul...you cant box out like that on an alley oop play, just saying as soon as you turn your back to a player and start boxing him out like that when the balls getting passed to him and is in the air, it becomes an illegal play. But oh well, its one regular season game. Pacers are fine. Not too worried about the Celtics in the playoffs to be honest. Watch last years playoffs again, Rondo carried them. They will not last in a 7 game series vs the Pacers.
1. You can clear see PG raise up for the ball as pierce begins to undercut him. He certainly made an attempt to catch the ball. That is a foul.
2. Those of you who say that the refs would never call that because the Pacers ran the play so horribly....that imply's that the refs have 20/20 hindsight in the present. No one can make that kind of determination on the fly, when the ball is in the air. Thats just a silly argument.
3. George Hill clearly under throws the pass, and thats pretty damn stupid on his part. He should have launched it towards the far side of the rim with force, thats the only way those types of plays even work.
4. Those who say they don't want the game ending on a foul call....you clearly do not understand the idea that if they called the fouls at the end of the game, then players would quickly learn not to purposely foul to try and break up a play at the end of the game. Which actually helps the game. Its a simple cause and effect.
5. If we subscribe to the idea that bad calls always even out, then we clearly should have been the beneficiary of that call, as the refs blew a goal tending call on PG just a handful of plays earlier, AND screwed up an out of bounds call where the ball when off of Pierce's knee, but they called Celtics ball. The crowd chimed in on that one after the replay and the refs should have known they probably got that one wrong. So Pacers clearly get rob out of points and possession in the final minutes of the game.
Here is a running joke I am enjoying on PD, in the same way whenever the Pacers seem to win a game a certain group always has to say "Yeah but team X was missing player Y" it seems that every time we lose a close game there is a thread telling us the refs blew a call.
You know who blew that game? The Pacers did. They had a 9 point lead with 4 to go after getting a couple low percentage 3s from Hill to drop and another one from Paul. You have to win games like that. Hill isn't going to always hit pull up 3s that are 3 feet behind the arc so when he does you better not squander the lead. The Pacers squandered the lead. They have only themselves to blame for a very good missed opportunity and they better not lay an egg against the damn Magic on Friday.
My two cents...
This is why basketball is one of the toughest sports to officiate. I can see the argument both ways.
By the letter of the law, it was probably a foul. But by the letter of the law, there should probably be 10X more fouls called every game. And lane violations. And 3-second calls.
As a result, perspective becomes subjective and I think you have to ask yourself: "Should it have been called?" rather than "Was it a foul according to the rulebook?"
I voted no, but I don't feel strongly about it. I'm not sure why this is a foul and physical block-outs on rebounds are not. So for the sake of consistency, I like the no-call. If roles were reversed I don't make a big deal about it he other way, either.
I hated the play call and/or George Hill's decision, so I don't mind us not getting bailed out. It was a bad pass anyway.
It's not a foul, it was a stupid play call by Vogel, and the Pacers choked. No blame should be placed on the ref when we were inept on offense and defense in the 4th.
THIS x 1000
It's what I've been saying (in vain) all of last night.
I don't care what anyone feels about whether fouls "should or should not" be called in these end game situations.
Paul Pierce fouled Paul George on the alley oop attempt, which caused the Pacers to be down by 2 as time expired, as opposed to down by 2 with 2 free throws.
That's ALL that matters to me.
Once again, this game should have ended differently, BOTH due to the Pacers inability to close out the game, AND the officiating.
Sorry guys, I can't just not argue my convictions and stand up for them when questioned. (In a hostile manner I might add)
Let's assume that instead of the Pacers collapsing in the 4th, both teams played hard, smart basketball. A truly classic game to watch. A game that both teams could be proud of their effort.
Then let's assume that the Celtics go up by 2 with 0.5 seconds left. They've been switching the lead back and forth over and over again.
The Pacers run an out of bounds alley oop to Paul George, who is (very arguably) fouled on 2 different occasions during the inbounding of the alley oop.
Are you telling me that in THAT situation it would have been "correct" for the refs to call a foul, because it wasn't "bailing us out" for playing a crappy 4 minutes of basketball immediately prior?
See where I am going? This mindset absolutely baffles me.
The fact the Pacers choked down the stretch SHOULD be irrelevant (to use a term from He we shall not name)
the only piece of information that should be relevant is the fact that with less than a second to play, one team has an opportunity to force overtime.
That is not a trivial matter for a team fighting for a high playoff seed. The fact that they played a couple minutes of bad basketball which necessitated the NEED to force overtime means nothing.