I understand that BLF is a great venue, but that may not be as big of a deal to some people. I'm in the middle on it myself.
And by the way, this brings me back to what I was talking about with others in another thread: The noise and non-basketball stuff at the games.
Frankly, each year I come to hate it more. So much so that if I didn't love the Pacers, I probably wouldn't go to games, either. I know there's a market that likes that stuff, but I think there's an equally sized market (or if not equal, then let's just say a significant one) that does not at all. I get real tired of the constant jukebox / being almost yelled at.
By the way, I want to echo something I said the other day about this whole topic:
The bottom line is that people who want to be there will find excuses to be there, and people who do not want to be there will find excuses to not be there.
And I think the Pacers should market themselves as a good product they are proud of, try to show why, and not worry about encouraging people to show up so much (ie 'Come and see us!' or whatnot). Just demonstrate the quality, and move on. Make the commercials a love letter to the team and the product versus an attempt at wooing people. I would also stop giving away tickets left and right and having super sales left and right. At this point it just makes the product look cheap, IMO. I mean if a car salesman offered me a new car at 70% discount, I would be extremely skeptical as to why he's going to such lengths to basically give the car away.
This isn't an Indiana thing. This issue impacts the vast majority of teams. The NBA said 75% of teams were losing money. The Pacers aren't in a unique situaiton.
EDIT: Math is a bit fuzzy this morning. It would really be less than 0.2% of the population.
This writer doesn't seem like much of a fan to me so much as one of the casual observers. Clearly hasn't seen the giant screen they've installed that makes even the highest nosebleeds seem like you're watching an HD television set in your living room with a much better atmosphere.
On the pricing front, one thing that sucks for PS&E marketing is they can't throw in a line like, "And if you go to stubhub, sit in the lower level for just $40! (or whatever)" They can only show off retail prices or their own sales.
I dont get it. I would rather save the money and watch it on my bigscreen.
By I love the atmosphere of the game....maybe I am not the norm :confused:
On topic, I feel we are beating a dead horse. I appreciate hearing "others" opinions, but good lord I hate the argument about draft picks.
As others have said, win and let the chips fall where they may (for this year at least)
Not that into you? Don't worry about it Pacers, the ex always comes crawlin' back.
Sounds more like Peyton Manning and the Colts if you ask me...Quote:
So I can emotionally and financially invest in you now and be rewarded in May by watching Joey Crawford treat. Letís be frank: you are regular-season programming and playoff fodder.
If you promote it as cheap, people assume there's a reason for that.
Lets face it, no matter how big a fan of the Pacers some are they just aren't going to come to the games, myself included. I can sit in a 20 X 20 family room in front of a 65" TV, and go to the kitchen for whatever I want to get to eat or drink whenever I feel like it, and still cheer my Pacers on to victory. I haven't missed a game this season, yet I haven't been to a Pacers game since MSA.
I have never been to a Colts game, nor do I have any inclination to do so. I wasn't excited about when Hudnut brought the Colts into Indy during the dead of night, nor when they won the Super Bowl. I couldn't even tell you who their running back is, but I can tell you who the Bears running back b4 Gale Sayres was... never been to a Bears game either. I can tell you who both qtrbacks names were the years the Bears won the Super Bowls. I've been to 2 IU BB games, 1 Purdue BB game, and zero Butler games since moving to the Indy area decades ago. IIRC, the last time I was at Hinkle to see a BB game was 1963 to see the IN-KY Boys Allstar BB game. The last HS BB game I was at was a semi-state game to watch my alma mater play 5 or more years ago with the enticement of relatives.
After saying all that, I can say w/o a doubt I have more Pacers fandom than relatives, neighbors, and people I know. My point is not everyone has a desire to attend games of their favorite team, and it doesn't make them less of a fan of their favorite team. We are a society of convenience, and it's more convenient for the majority of local Pacers fans to stay home, save their money for other things, and watch the Pacers play on tv in the comfort of their home while sitting in the best seat in the house. Attending Pacer games just isn't a priority for the average person, and unfortunately for the Pacers that's just the way it is.
I only want to know about Indiana. That's the state that my Pacers play in.
And as I said my problem is not with the attendance. It's with the attitude.
Does the common folk of Indiana believe that we are LeBron's bithces?
I see many of you are saying it is just as good to stay home and watch on my large screen HDTV. Sure it saves time and money. But something I don't believe anyone has brought up that works in favor of going to see a game in person. When I see a game in person, I get a much better feel for what is going on, who is good, who isn't, what the teams are trying to do. Sure it makes a difference where you sit in the fieldhouse but being there in person allows you to experience the technical aspects of the game at a completely more advanced level .
I have used this as examples. Seeing John Stockton on TV was one thing. But seeing him in person brought a whole different level of appreciation for him. I could see just how good he was, the angles of his passes, his overall game. On TV you cannot appreciate the size and speed of Lebron - I could make a long list of similar type stuff.
Watching a game on TV is like going to a high school freshman class, seeing a game in person is like going to a college graduate class.
Having said all that, you don't have to go to every game, you can get enough of a feel from TV that is more than justifies staying home. But I do believe you get a much fully feel for the game in person. And I am just talking about the actual basketball, not the crowd, or atmosphere. there is a reason why teams pay good many to send their scouts to attend games in person
I call myself an Olympiacos fan but I have only attended an Olympiacos game once in my life. And that was with my father when I was young. And it was football not basketball. And I don't even like football.
Honestly, I'm not a big sports fan. I cannot fault anyone for not going to games. That's why my problem is not with the attandance. It's with the mentality that this writer displayed.
Luckily, you don't have that mentality. Neither do I. This mentality has nothing to do with whether one goes to games or not. It has to do with some people paying attention and caring and other people not giving a damn.
The flat screen in the basement is not the only competition for the Pacers in their quest to sell tickets.
For those pointing out that cheap tickets can be purchased from StubHub and other sources outside the Pacers / Ticketmaster, that has always been the case and always will be the case.
Keep in mind, though, that those sources keep pounding on the "attendance" figures shown by the Pacers franchise, and undermines its' pricing power (ability to sell tickets at a typical NBA pricing level that is designed into the league business model).
Those cheap tickets are already being counted as having been sold to others prior to the final sale to those who actually attend the games. They also compete against the Pacers ability to sell additional tickets (both season tickets and single game tickets) for somewhere near a decent price for those who are willing to spend the money and time it takes to attend games.
It is also true that all professional sports franchises face this same competition.
However, larger markets have an inherently larger demand for a relatively finite pool of "secondary market" tickets. Given that the law of supply and demand shows that higher demand for any good / service with a set amount of supply always yields a higher price, those tickets will be more expensive than what we see in Indy. Then, the price difference between the "secondary market" tickets and the franchises selling additional tickets becomes significantly less, leaving the franchises in better position to sell additional tickets that actually count toward attendance figures. In fact, given a relatively small difference, I suggest that some people would have an aversion towards buying secondary market tickets due to not being completely sure that the tickets being presented are valid tickets instead of fakes, giving the franchises in larger markets yet another advantage.
Also, StubHub and e-mail ticket transfers from friends, family, and businesses are far more trustworthy sources for cheap / free tickets than used to be available from scalpers. Why would lots of us NOT look to those types of sources first? Also, there really is no sense of urgency to purchase tickets for regular season games because there are so many of them, and this drives the price of most average matchups down in the secondary market also. This diminishes the perceived value of any given Pacers ticket for most games, and may well contribute to people simply not bothering to purchase at all regardless of the source.
Why, in a building with good to great views of the action from virtually any seat in the house, would people care about having a consistent seat for every game? Relationships / friendships with other STH's do develop, and that is one thing that even I miss about not being a STH at this point. There also is something comforting about consistent expectations being met from having an identical viewpoint of all games. Otherwise, in virtually all cases, identical or better experiences are available for less money for those who do not commit to being in the same seat for every game that they attend, whether it be from the Pacers directly or from the secondary market.
In most businesses, customers are rewarded for loyalty and repeat business. The current NBA / Pacers business model actually discourages it, which ends up really damaging ticket sales in my opinion.
I believe that the Pacers should possibly consider something radical, which would at first alienate cheap ticket purchasers and damage the actual "butts in seats" more than it would attendance figures. I think that there should be some sort of a buyback guarantee by the franchise, wherein a STH has the option to "sell" their tickets back to the franchise (actually credit for their accounts) for a percentage of face value that increases as the level fan committment and loyalty increases. That would provide a fairly stable floor for the perceived value of the tickets, and an increased willingness of core fans / businesses to commit to purchasing season tickets. It would also lower the amount of tickets that are held by scalpers of any given game, thereby reducing the competition against the Pacers efforts to increase its attendance figures.
I consider myself a big Pacers fan. When they were bad, we went to a lot of games mainly because we could get cheap lower level tickets. Now, good luck with that, it's about 60-90 bucks to sit behind the goal in 1 or 20 according to what I've seen on StubHub. I'm like a lot of the average fans, I have two kids, although not old enough to go yet, I am not going to pay 10-15 bucks (or cheaper) to sit in the balcony. If i'm going, I'm sitting club or lower. I'd much rather stay at home and watch it on my HD tv than pay to go sit in the balcony. TV contracts run sports, not attendance. Attendance is used as a crutch to move teams IMO. Personally, I think the Pacers are missing the boat BIG TIME on the club level seats. If balcony tickets are at most 25 bucks (not sure on that) I think they could price club at 30-40 instead of the 110 some sections are.
Another thing I consider a hinderance. The games start at 7:00, most get off work at 5:00, by the time I go home, change really quick, and leave with my wife, it's about 6:45 before we get to the game. I'd think even a 7:30 start time would help out some.