Mavs can't trade Brand.
Mavs can't trade Brand.
Remember 2 years ago there was no way Hibbert was getting max but then Falk put the gun to
our head and we blinked.
The Lakers will have a lot a cap space in 2014 and Kobe is talking about retirement and they will
need a wing to pair with Howard...I'm sure they would like to bring PG home and wouldn't blink at a max deal.
It only takes one offer to force a team's hand.
It is pretty obvious that Danny is not getting traded by the deadline. He has No value. (Injured and not expiring) Also, I think that you guys have said it right, Danny at worst, will be a bench upgrade over Green. I believe when he comes back, that has to be his role for a while. He HAS to prove himself fit to return to the starters role so as to not mess up the chemistry with the starting 5. Danny has to have faith that Frank will bring him back into the first unit when the team needs him there, as he has done with DJ, Lance, etc. One thing I love about Vogel over guys like JOB and Brown is that he will always put the best guys on the floor, regardless of salary or stature.
a) Hibbert was a C, a legit C, a scarce commodity in a market full of "4's" playing "5". The only people suprised by Hibbert's contract, given the amount he progressed, were amateur capologists on fan message boards. While it only takes one team to make a max offer, there were quite a few teams that would've been willing to go there. There was no "gun". There's a big difference between the market for legit 5's and for wing players -no matter how good the wing player might be there are plenty to choose from.
2) Paul George is a wing. A wing that is progressing nicely for his third season. A wing that has shown no signs whatsoever that he's ready to assume clutch duties away from Hill and West in the fourth quarter.
Paul George is taking advantage of being the best wing in our system. We've needed him to step it up and he has. He's been a large part of our success. But he still hasn't been more important that West as a leader, clutch guy, professional; Hibbert for owning the interior defensively (if he ever gets his shooting touch back, to go with his interior presence, he'll be "underpaid"); and Hill for making things go in his own unique way and his own clutch play.
If somebody else wants to give him a max contract, at that point you've got to decide between matching and trading Danny or letting Paul walk. You don't have to make that decision until then.
And I'd love to get the point where we have that problem.
Until then, I'm very happy that Paul is progressing rapidly.
I agree with J, either Paul really explodes and he gets the max (great) or he stays about where he is and he gets Granger type money (also OK with me). I'm not losing any sleep over Paul's contract situation. We will pay him either way, and I don't see his value getting that out of whack.
The real SCARY thing is Lance's contract. There is NO WAY he and Danny can be on the same team after next year.If they are essentially playing for the same spot and minutes. Even though they play different positions, PG can play either the 2 or 3 making the other role insignificant, and neither one of those guys is going to be ok with coming off the bench beyond next season. Lance, being an UFA next summer makes it impossible to wait until next season to extend him. Therefore, a decision on Granger's future with the team must be made this offseason.
Those suggesting that Danny is plan B at PF seems extremely unlikely to me considering his injury history as of late. The NBA is tough on the knees anyway, and an undersized PF with knee issues is just a recipe for disaster. His best upside at PF is as a "stretch 4" like Ryan Anderson, but Hibbert isn't good enough offensively right now to hold down the offensive middle alone.
Best case scenario given all the variables involved, IMO, is that we can re-sign West to a 4 year 40 Million Dollar deal this offseason and extend Lance to a reasonable 6 Mil. per deal. Then, next off-season we let Danny walk if he isn't willing to take about 6-7 Mil per as our 6th man. Which I am sure he wont be. And then we have to trade Green...
This gives us at worst, a full 2 year run with our core, completely intact.
Assuming Granger is healthy (a huge if, but I'm negative-Nancy on the idea that his deteriorating tendon (it's tendinosis, not tendinitis that he has) will magically regenerate to health), you're saying you'd kick him to the curb for Lance?
I don't see that. I'd bring back Granger and get another young wing with promise on a rookie-scale contract.
Also, Lance still has a lot to prove before he becomes to expensive to keep.
Lance Stephenson is currently averaging a career high 7.8 ppg and 2.6 apg. His role is soon to diminish some as Granger comes back from injury. I know he's playing and shooting much better than Green is, but Green is still scoring a comparable 7.2 pg.
So what makes you think Lance will get 6 million a year?
I don't know what to think and I will probably do some flip flopping in the near future.
I'm going to look at Danny as he comes back as healthy as he was last year at this point. Either Danny, David or Roy has to go for monies to be within reason or Ian, Green and Hans contract has to be gone. I don't see Ian and Green getting traded as Ian is a good deal and Green isn't going to net anything any better in a trade. Pacers are still going to have to spend 3-5 mil this summer for a backup pg and if DJ keeps it up, I could see him resigned for a 4 year 12 mil deal. I don't see Pacers trying to get a rookie to feel that spot, so even if DJ is gone the same money will have to be spent for someone else, especially with Hill missing games.
So, I'm back to the 3 big contracts. I personally have to think that Danny and Paul can play together and be better then ever. West seems to be important to the team in more ways then just play. Roy is our centerpiece on defense and should be much better on offense. So, who could get us more value for the future of this team without losing a piece we all wished we hadn't lost?
With David here, we have to keep Roy or the interior will be toast and with David here we have a great p&p guy, one of the best in the league. Which, keeps the floor spread enough for driving lanes. I have a hard time seeing Roy and David not playing together, thus making Danny the expendable one. However, we really, really, really need Danny's offense and he plays solid defense.
David is getting into his career ending years and a to big, long of a contract could really strap us for years to come and Danny's big contract will end soon to leave us with flexibility.
I really think Danny should stay and Hibbert needs to be here. So, the only player I fear on keeping and missing out on a great trade for the future is David. He is an expiring and he is playing really good. I just don't want to see him traded and not have him for the playoffs. I'd almost say or want to say, stay pat, let this team complete the mission this year and just let David walk I'm the summer, but I don't want to lose out on valuable assets that can be had for David.
I am so torn, I hope the FO does the right thing and I hope they have a plan that rocks my world in a good way.
I know this is probably confusing, but I am confused on what to do for the betterment of the team
Trying to see your logic. You kinda made my point
Hell, several of you have proclaimed him to be one of the Pacer greats by the time he finishes. A 6 Million dollar deal is VERY reasonable for 21 year old, starting, UFA on the open market.
6 million per for Lance right now? Wow...no. Love what Lance is doing for the team, but I think his next deal will be Jarrett Jack money tops and Jack just started getting 5 million. I think Lance will probably get a 3 year/12 million deal maybe from the P's maybe from someone else.
I think Lance will get signed to a Green-like contract. He's playing very well, but he's not producing jaw dropping numbers to warrant a huge pay increase. If Granger gets traded this offseason and West does not return, I could see Lance getting a larger offensive role next season. Still, I hope the Pacers sign him to an extension this offseason while he'll still be cheap.
It is nice to be at a point where we are talking about which starter we need to keep. Instead of which starter we need to not upgrade.
Man I am happy with the current roster.