Exaggerations are the ones that people use to tell us how much the Pacers need West and yes I have seen people still predicting what you predicted last year, that West is going to average 20 and 10.
daschysta;1508319]Who predicted that he would score 20/21? I think you misunderstood, some people brought up the fact that he was recently scoring that much in support of the argument that he'll likely score more than he did last season next year due to health. Noone has even predicted an All-Star appearance for West next season, let alone compared him currently, or in his prime to Lebron or Howard, misrepresenting the arguments of the other side by using gross exaggerations is no way to discuss anything...
Yes his leadership is great but is overrated the same way people overrated the crap out of DJ's leadership and nope I'm not changing my argument, I used PPG's RPG's and his DEFENSE to compare him to other power forwards and he is on the bottom.
I would argue his leadership has been huge, you need to do no more than listen to his teammates talk about how big it has been to understand where that idea comes from. You are the one that said straight up, that West is in the bottom part of starting PF's offensively due to raw ppg. Who has argued that he's a great defender? You keep changing your argument friend. It's valid to do what Seth did because Tyler is horrible on offense and on defense. West is maybe a bit below average defensively, good offensively (worlds better than Tyler on that end) and brings his fundamentals and intangibles. Tyler is an even worse defender than West, neither are quick enough laterally to be very good there, but at least West understands team defensive concepts and doesn't hurt everyone else, Tyler on the other hand is constantly out of position and fouls way more.