RG3 seems like he has a much bigger ego than Luck, at least based on what he shows in public.
''They were doing a lot of dirty things. I still think they have an extremely good team, that doesn't take anything away from them, but the game was unprofessional. Who am I to talk? I've barely been a pro for very long, but from what I experienced against the Saints compared to that game, it was definitely unprofessional and it does need to be cleaned up.''
Guy had played eight quarters in the league at that point and was lecturing people on professionalism.
Then you have the fact that he wouldn't even come to Indy to do a workout. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing talent and throws a beautiful ball. I think he's going to be very good for a long time. But I don't think he acts as humble as most rookies. Most rookies wouldn't whine about hits after they had played just two NFL games. That's not how you earn respect around the league.
"Floating" doesn't mean that he can't throw a long ball. It's likely more of an indication that his timing isn't quite there with the receivers given that he's a rookie. He's shown multiple times that he can air it out when he wants to. He just has to put it in the right spot at the right time. There are going to be bumps along the way.
The pass I linked to back in page 2 was a beautiful NFL pass.
He led us on a game winning drive to win the Minnesota game and what should have been a game winning drive against Jacksonville. He has shown an incredible amount of poise as a rookie. Our conservative play calling almost cost us the Minnesota game and it did cost us the Jacksonville game. Hopefully we don't play conservative with leads.
God forbid a player who is hit out of bounds twice (and quite late hits at that) get pissed off about that. Esp. when that players plays a position that the modern NFL freaking treats with a kid glove
I dont know enough about turning down the workout, but I wouldn't be surprised if his agent had more to do with that (Maybe he even already knew that Luck was the unanimous number 1)
I agree he should not had said anything, but I guarantee you any NFL QB would have *****ed after that game. IMO his mistake wasnt *****ing, it was who he *****ed to. It should have been to a veteran captain or coach, and let them mention it to the media. Its not a good look on a rookie in any sports, and especially not a high profile one.
Not that I care one way or the other. In 10 years I doubt we remember that game ever happened (unless it comes out Fisher has a bounty program running, which wouldn't surprise me as dirty as all of his teams have been)....but I disgress
P.S. He has the same record as the Colts, and we lost the Rams game because of a stupid penalty. Both teams could easily be 2-1.
You are an obsessed Luck fan, and I am sorry you have so much hate built up. The Colts and Luck have a lot of hype, yet you don't hear people *****ing about all the hype he gets.
Like I said a few weeks ago, it is pathetic how some are waiting for RG3 to fail just so you can feel good about yourself. Lord forbid we just be fans of the game and root for RG3 and Luck to both be successful.
Of course all this ignores the stupid front office comment, which has proven that is has changed since Snyder was forced to go hands off and Bruce Allen became our G.M.
I haven't really had a problem with you on here like many people have. You pay attention to the team and clearly care. But I do think that you are way too hard on Luck and have an inherent bias against him because he replaced Manning (which is understandable to an extent). That's just my personal opinion after reading your posts for the past 7 or whatever months. I have a hard time believing that you were this hard on Manning back in 1998 when he was slinging 28 interceptions with the team winning just three games. Or when he threw 23 picks in 2001, a season in which we went a putrid 6-10.
Young QBs have growing pains. But I just don't see how anyone could not think that Luck has looked pretty damn solid out there so far. He has shown lots of poise and the ability to come through in big moments. He is doing all of this while scrambling for his life out there.
FWIW, I would have LOVED my life had the Redskins taken Luck. I think he is a great QB, and I have loved some of his passes (like those shown in this thread).
I actually think Luck is the more traditional pocket QB (I wont say he is like Peyton cause IMO no one will ever match him. He literally was a genius of the game, and what he lacked for in physical skills he made up for with amazing smarts) while RG3 is the more mobile and can make things happen on the move.
As I said back on April 26, I think both ended up in the best situation for them. Both will have growing pains, but I have been surprised how well both have played and avoided rookie mistakes (it is still early in the season, and I missed the one game where Luck threw a couple of picks. Granted, Luck had a great bounce back and still had a good overall game)
He's mostly hanging his "floating ball" hat on Luck's first game, when yes Luck did underestimate the speed of the NFL and did float a few balls, or didn't put enough zing on them. That has been cut down drastically in the subsequent two games. Just shows that Blu doesn't actually watch the games, or just sees what he wants when he does watch them.
I made the same comments about Peyton 14 years ago. I know what I'm lookin' at. Luck is a guy who's greatest strength is his ability to absorb information and make adjustments into winning plays almost instantly. Just like Peyton. They both rarely make the same mistake twice, and when you have that ability, you eventually just stop making mistakes, or very rarely. What's amazing to think about is, Luck can throw the ball better and is more athletic than Peyton. Think about that. Luck also has an improvisational ability that exceeds Manning. When things broke down, Manning usually threw the ball away or took a sack. Luck enters a whole different mode...
I will say though that I said it before the draft and I'll say it again -- Luck's ability to sense pressure and avoid a sack/tackle is stupidly ridiculous amazing. His subtle moves make it harder for defenders to get to him, but when they do, he has a lower-half strength about him that allows him to shrug off defenders a large part of the time. I've seen some defenders get their arms around his legs/waist, and he just pulls away and leaves them on the ground. I've never seen a rookie as good as him at it. Even having a worse line than RG3 (and RG3 is also supposed to be "faster" than Luck), Luck still has less sacks.
I'm not tryin' to hate on RG3, so I won't post most of my thoughts on him, but it's not as glowing as most of NFL fans want to make it. Lotta people are hyped up on some gimmicks right now. Here's hoping he fixes some things and can change his game.... but I know how these movies end. Seen it before.
I said it before the draft and I'll say it again --- players that get big boosts by combine results are usually flash in the pan or rarely live up to expectations, because 40-speed and long-bombs generally don't work out long-term in the NFL. Luck moves better than RG3 in the pocket and outside the pocket, and throws better on the run, didn't matter that he didn't run a 4.4 forty. He just moves better.
RG3 has played well, no one is disagreeing with you there. But just because your boy is playing well doesn't mean a thing. Cam Newton was great last year and has been terrible this year. Playing 4 games is not a prognostic indicator of future career. You may not like it, but RG3 is getting hammered because he runs the ball so much. As I've told you multiple times, he is way more likely to get hurt than Luck is. Just because he is used to being a runner doesn't mean he can get away with it in the NFL. He might have been fine in college, but in the NFL the teams and defenders will be looking to punish him, and RG3 doesn't exactly have a strong frame body. He is definitely more likely to get hurt. Luck, on the other hand, has not been hit nearly as much and avoids getting hit really well. If you watch the highlights of the games, he avoids pressure really well.
And you use 100+ Qb rating for RG3, but Luck's QBR is number one in the league. Just saying.
Luck is outstanding at avoiding sacks, and a damn good runner as well. Ask Jared Allen, whom Luck made look foolish. And Andrew Luck is already arguably better than Cam Newton. Just admit it, you haven't even seen Luck play
The plays Wash has ran for RG3 seem more simple, most of those throws are fairly low-risk and often to wide-open receivers, he's not having to make a ton of reads. He has a running game, so opposing defenses can't key on just him like they do Luck. He's had better protection (if not much) than Luck so he's had more time to make his reads and step into his throws.
I'll admit he's protected the ball well... but it's a really simple offense. He hasn't really been forced to make any crazy throws. He's not carrying his offense like Luck has to. He did get them down the field in the last game, but Luck has done that already, too.
He's not looked bad by any means, but I do think he's gettin a lot more credit that he probly has actually earned. The two areas he was sposed to exceed Luck was mobility and deep throws --- he's actually behind LUck on deep completions and also has taken more sacks. He does have more rushing yards, but that's because Wash runs designed plays for him, lol... He's played in 1 more game and has 1 less touchdown.
He's played 4 of the worst defenses in the league and has yet to face a top-15 defense. The worst D Indy has faced (Jax) is almost as good as the *best* defense the 'Skins have faced. The only quality defense the 'Skins have played (and I say this tongue in cheek) is the Rams (who are middle of the pack at best) and the 'Skins lost that game. The rest of those teams are just awful, horrible defenses. Meanwhile, Indy has played only 3 games, and has played two 3-1 teams, and beat one of them, and should've won another against the Jags. Chicago and the Vikes are all top-10 defenses and both are 3-1 teams. The Vikes' only loss this year is to Indy.
I think in due time RG3 will be exposed a lil bit, but he'll always have that excitement about him and he is a decent player so he'll have success. I do see why Luck has such a high QBR though, I've seen mostly high quality play from him and a large dependency on him by his team, as compared to say RG3, who can really hand it off and not be expected to carry his offense as much.
I did read a stat today that Luck has a poor completion rate 10-yards or less... but then I think back to all those dropped dump passes, namely by D. Brown... it doesn't seem like Luck has missed all that many when watching the games, so was surprised to see that stat. I wonder if they include throwaways?
I have noticed the longer passes hanging up on Luck... Not sure if I'm just hyper sensitive to it because Ol Blu has mentioned it so much, or if it happens a little too much to ignore....