I have seen Ray some, have not really watched Dixon or Cauley-Stein, but I will keep a eye out.
I have seen Ray some, have not really watched Dixon or Cauley-Stein, but I will keep a eye out.
You guys want to talk PG prospects.... Trey Burke. The kid has fantastic handles, plays under control at all times, is a fantastic decision maker, extremely mature, great vision, can get in the lane and score, shoots well from deep, and can defend (although his defense would be about average in NBA PG terms). His biggest downfall is that he is 6'0" (or Chris Paul's height). Oh and he's a competitor. I love the kid's game, as it was very mature for a freshman PG, and he is a very efficient player. He runs a very good pick and roll as he is a huge threat to score off of it, which sets up his passing lanes. Many young PGs just look to score and end up throwing the ball wildly when things close down. Trey continues to set up his passing lanes on his way to the basket. I am completely biased about this kid because he is at Michigan, but his game speaks for itself. He supposedly added ten pounds of muscle in the off-season. That will help him big time.
I hope he is so good that the Pacers don't have a prayer of drafting him, but at the same time, I would love it if he ended up here.
2013 NBA Mock Draft: Setting the stage
By Jeff Goodman | College Basketball Insider
Nov. 5, 2012 5:50 PM ET
2012-13 NBA Mock Draft
1 Cody Zeller, 7-0, 240, C, Soph.,
Indiana 31 Pierre Jackson, 5-10, 180, PG, Sr.,
2 Nerlens Noel, 6-10, 228, C, Fr.,
Kentucky 32 Gorgui Dieng, 6-11, 245, C, Jr.,
3 James Michael McAdoo, 6-9, 230, PF, Soph.,
North Carolina 33 Michael Carter-Williams, 6-6, 185, PG/SG, Soph.,
4 Rudy Gobert, 7-0, 230, PF/C, 20,
France 34 Rakeem Christmas, 6-9, 240, C, Soph.,
5 Alex Poythress, 6-7, 239, PF, Fr.,
Kentucky 35 Deshaun Thomas, 6-7, 215, SF/PF, Jr.,
6 Shabazz Muhammad, 6-6, 225, SG, Fr.,
UCLA 36 Patric Young, 6-9, 249, PF/C, Jr.,
7 Isaiah Austin, 7-1, 220, C, Fr.,
Baylor 37 Kaleb Tarczewski, 7-0, 245, C, Fr.,
8 Tony Mitchell, 6-8, 235, PF, Soph.,
North Texas 38 Doug McDermott, 6-8, 225, PF, Jr.
9 Adonis Thomas, 6-7, 240, SF, Soph.,
Memphis 39 Trey Burke, 6-0, 190, PG, Soph.,
10 Lorenzo Brown, 6-5, 185, PG, Jr.,
N.C. State 40 Christian Watford, 6-9, 232, PF/SF, Sr.,
11 Alex Len, 7-1, 225, C, Soph.,
Maryland 41 Aaric Murray, 6-10, 245, C, Jr.,
12 Archie Goodwin, 6-4, 198, SG, Fr.,
Kentucky 42 LaQuinton Ross, 6-8, 220, SF, Soph.,
13 Steven Adams, 7-0, 250, C, Fr.,
Pittsburgh 43 Mike Moser, 6-8, 210, PF, Jr.,
14 Dario Saric, 6-10, 225, SF, 20,
Croatia 44 Phil Pressey, 5-11, 175, PG, Jr.,
15 Ben McLemore, 6-5, 195, SG, Fr.,
Kansas 45 Trevor Mbakwe, 6-8, 245, PF, Sr.,
16 Le'Bryan Nash, 6-7, 230, SF, Soph.,
Oklahoma State 46 Michael Snaer, 6-5, 202, SG, Sr.,
17 Anthony Bennett, 6-8, 240, PF, Fr.,
UNLV 47 Marcus Smart, 6-4, 225, SG/PG, Fr.,
18 Otto Porter, 6-8, 205, SF, Soph.,
Georgetown 48 Rodney Purvis, 6-4, 190, SG, Fr.,
19 C.J. Leslie, 6-9, 200, PF, Jr.,
N.C. State 49 Przemek Karnowski, 7-1, 280, C, Fr.,
20 B.J. Young, 6-3, 180, SG/PG, Soph.,
Arkansas 50 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 6-5, 200, SG, Soph.,
21 Jeff Withey, 7-0, 235, C, Sr.,
Kansas 51 Jarnell Stokes, 6-8, 270, PF, Soph.,
22 Willie Cauley-Stein, 7-0, 220, C, Fr.,
Kentucky 52 Erik Murphy, 6-10, 238, PF, Sr.,
23 Alex Abrines, 6-5, 190, SG, 19,
Spain 53 Myck Kabongo, 6-1, 180, PG, Soph.,
24 Mason Plumlee, 6-10, 235, PF, Sr.,
Duke 54 Brandon Ashley, 6-8, 200, PF, Fr.,
25 Isaiah Canaan, 6-1, 195, PG/SG, Sr.,
Murray State 55 Adreian Payne, 6-10, 230, PF, Jr.,
26 C.J. McCollum, 6-3, 185, SG, Sr.,
Lehigh 56 Sergey Karasev, 6-7, 205, SF, 19,
27 Andre Roberson, 6-7, 210, BF, Jr.,
Colorado 57 Khem Birch, 6-9, 240, C, Soph.,
28 Kyle Anderson, 6-9, 235, SF/PG, Fr.,
UCLA 58 Alex Oriakhi, 6-9, 255, PF, Sr.,
29 Grant Jerrett, 6-10, 220, PF, Fr.,
Arizona 59 Wayne Blackshear, 6-5, 230, SG/SF, Soph.,
30 Jamaal Franklin, 6-5, 195, SG, Jr.,
San Diego State 60 Alec Brown, 7-1, 225, C, Jr.,
Sorry about the way this posted, but this is a preliminary look at the draft. Not a strong PG class at all. Lots of bigs out there worth taking a shot on.
watching Lehigh vs Baylor glad college ball is back.
CJ has all of Lehigh's points. Lehigh looks like midgets compared to Baylor I would think Isiah Austin can score at least 25 on this team.
Wowsers Alex Len worked on his body doesn't look even close to the same. From the naked eye he added 30lbs that's work ethic. I will watch the game later and see if he worked on his game. I was a fan last year see how he handles UK
Ya Trey Burke is a 1st rd pick now IMO he answered my questions. I can't believe his body difference that was one knock I had on him loved his decision-making skills. However, I felt that he was nothing but a shooter at the NBA level due to lack of size. He is now a stocky player who has an NBA body looks like he grew a bunch. He will be really glad he stayed. I would have drafted him near the Pacers pick last year if he came out, but he would have been a project.
Mitch McGary reminds me so much of a Nick Collison just sets mean screens and does the dirty work. He is a four year guy though IMO.
I like Tim Hardaway Jr too not sure if the Pacers would be the best fit for his skills though.
I love Archie Goodwin kid looks coachable, and the raw talent is there to be special. Ditto on Willie CS.
Alex Len is going to be a great C his defense will never be great but his improvements in moving this year are pretty remarkable. He could barley play 5 minutes at a time last year without being gas ed and was not nearly as mobile. And now barley tires he looks like he wants to be a top five pick, and his mobility is really good. I didn't think he could get that good laterally so fast so maybe he can be a decent defender in the future. His offense was still great like last year really has an advanced post game for his age, and in time will be a really excellent C.
EDIT: Kyle Anderson I need to see more of he moves so slowly laterally(I mean Austin Daye/Charlie V bad) but he has a unique skill set and would be a passer and a guy who knows how to play the game. Seems like he would be a perfect fit for the lag passer in the Triangle.
Tons of others I just havent seen enoght to even comment yet. In a few weeks I will dive deeper into the guys Im liking a bunch.
I'm enjoying how this North Carolina State team plays together on offense. There is no team defense whatsoever but they move the ball so well on offense. I think the 4 big names for NC State (CJ Leslie, Lorenzo Brown, Rodney Purvis, Richard Howell) will all be NBA players. Brown doesn't have that much of a scoring game from what I've seen but he's passing great, Howell is a bit undersized but is a pretty good player, probably a second rounder, and Purvis is a phenom. Really enjoying watching this team play. UMass is a tough team but no NBA prospects I think.
Bazz is cleared should make his debut Monday vs the Hoyas wonder if Otto Porter will play. I hope he at least gives it a go Porter vs Bazz would be fun to watch
I have changed my tone on WCS vs Noel. I like Noel much better for the NBA I still love Willys potential but too much of a gamble currently. Noel has come a long way since HS. I didn't like his motor at all in HS but Cail has him playing hard. Still a long time and many games to make a final judgment for both but Noel is winning me back.
Nerlans Noel has been great tonight best first 3 mintues I have seen in some time lol.
His energy level is so much better than last year. He will be one of the best passing big men in the NBA when he makes the jump. Coach Cal is unreal at getting guys prepared for the league all my complaints about Noel seem like he has addressed and almost every year that happens with Cal.
Willy is just to nice on the court he needs to get mean
Archie Goodwin just made a kid cry :laugh:
was a close game up until the last few minutes. Archie is going to be a special player at the next level will need to be patient with the kid will make a ton of mistakes but in time kid will be an all star imo. I would love to see him in BnG not gonna happen but would consider trading up for him. I hope whoever drafts him develops him the right way let him play and make mistakes but have a good player development staff that can work with him and work the kinks out. I like his passion can tell he loves the game and loves playing. Only real concerns for me is his defense he plays hard but he needs to learn how to play better defense his fundamentals aren't great IMO. I can live with his TOs he plays hard and it's kind of like Westbrook he is so dynamic the Tos you can live with.
Archie had 17FTs tonight he is like the perfect fit for what we need a guy who can create and live at the line. Depending on how we do this season( we may not need to trade up lol if we keep playing like crap).
yes Trey Burke is looking like a top 10 pick in this draft. He would suck in our system but his probing ability is really nice. Changes speeds really well and finishes at the rim now which I never though he we be able too. That was my doubt about him he had a kids body last year looked like he was 5'10 and his frame wasn't promising. But he grew and looks like he put on a ton of lbs. Now he looks like a legit 6'1 maybe even bigger. Defiantly an NBA starting pg body/athlete now when last year that wasn't the case IMO. His stroke is so sweet he was one of my favorite guys to watch shoot the ball last year really a beautiful stroke.
Michigan has a few guys I really like for the league. Steven Adams to me has always been overrated he is a great athlete but dude is not a very good basketball player not a huge fan of what he does on the court.
P4E what do u make of Ford saying Poythress could go 1st in the draft? i must admit i had a bit of a chuckle at the thought
A potential mid-late round steal could be Reggie Bullock from UNC. He looks to finally have come into his own as a player. He already has an NBA body for a guard being that he is 6'7 with muscle.
He can do pretty much everything. Good 3 point shooter, good defender, but what has really impressed me is his ability to pass the ball. He won't be a star or anything, but who from the mid-late round will be? The guy has a place in the NBA and should be a solid role player.
Im not gonna lie he is overrated while I was taking notes tonight during the UK game I wrote a lot about him. I mean you love the motor and all but the skill level is not that good. He showed more offense when I watched him live in Orlando(aau circuit) but he literally cant put the ball on the deck for more than one dribble. He is a great athlete but a tweeaner offensively he needs to improve his jumper and his handle. He is a great kid though had a perfect GPA in HS and great role model from what I have read about him.
I need to see more but I think he is a stretch 4 currently and must improve if he wants to be a real threat at the next level. I hear people say he has the MKG motor all the time and while he does play hard(not as hard as MKG IMO) he doesn't have near the skill MKG did last year at UK.
I have a lot of notes on the UK guys I have watched every game they have played this season.
On another note, I like Gorgui Deng for us. I don't think we're going to draft a big, though.
Also, I think that I need to watch some of Karasev's game.
BJ Young could be a nice point off the bench. Lightning fast, can shoot, score and has plus size/length. Not sure he's a playmaking point though. But our bench needs scoring.
I'd say pg and pf will be the most pressing needs.
Patrick Young could be nice.
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CJ Leslie maybe. Just not sure about this guy. Seems he is up in the draft and down the next day. He's gotten off to a slow start this year too. I have doubts about this kid, but if he's there and the Pacers are picking a bit later, you probably should roll the dice.
Plumlee with 20 and 17. If we maintain our current pace, we can reach for him at #16 or something.
Interesting Stokes is so low at #51. (But he will move up once people stay in school). You could call him a DeJuan Blair with ACLs.