I said this the day Bird stepped day you dont go from "I love my job and cant wait to improve my team as long as the talks with Simon goes well"
to quitting in 3 weeks. It was pretty obvious Bird wanted to get an Eric Gordon type RFA and Simon said no which is just sad. Bird isnt stupid he knows we need to add an elite talent and this free agency period was our last chance. Like I said Simon doesnt carry about a championship and not going after Gordon was proof you cant build a player who is a better fit for our team to get to the next level and we refuse to offer him a fair deal.\
Plus when Bird talked to Jackie Mac it was pretty obvious he isn't coming back unless his owner wants to actually let him bulid a championship team.
Simon is out of touch just retaining your own guys wont get us anywhere near a title contender and Bird knew this. We dont have the talent we did in 04 where just retaining would of been enough(if it wasn't for the brawl) we needed this free agency period more than anything.
Gordon or Williams would of been the final piece but Simon is content with just trying to be a 4-8 seed trying to get out of the 2nd rd instead of trying to win it all
If we were going by just retaining you cant build on that model by draft mid teens every year it wont work.
I don't see why people are crucifying Simon here. I mean is dropping 60 million over 4 years to a guy who played a total of 9 games last year (in addition to his history of injuries) indicative of a penny pincher or a smart business man? I would have to say the latter.
Also, I have a tough time believing that after all of this time working under Simon than not wanting to go after Gordon caused Bird to step away. I have to believe there is more to it.
So we are the new Atlanta Hawks ?
I read the article twice and it seems highly speculative to me, and I dont really buy it as the article suggests. So Bird tells Simon we need another scorer and Herb refuses, so Bird leaves. Does anyone think it is that simple. Doesn't ring true to me
this article sounds weak...we are supposed to believe Bird said "I want to add another scorer" and Simon flat-out said "not under any circumstance"? that is very unlikely.
more likely is that simon did not want to offer the max to gordon (good choice!) and/or did not want to pay the luxury tax (which is the stance of almost every owner in the league)...
If Bird left because of Gordon, that's just stupid. If Bird left because Simon said we couldn't add another scorer, that's just....completely ********. Simon wouldn't do that.
Now, if Bird said there's no way he could build a contender without going over the luxury tax for a couple of years and Simon said "Hell No", that would be believable and completely understandable. There doesn't have to be a bad guy in this situation.
There has to be more to it than suggested, as there are more (less risky) options than Gordon (Mayo isn't one of them). To me this sounds more like there s a disagreement on how to spend the money to build a team, not that Simon isn't willing to spend.
Lots of running around with hair on fire going on, on this board, jeez. Gets hard to read, all of the ridiculous absolute statements. Simon doesn't like to go for Restricted FA for multiple reasons, I understand that, doesn't mean he strives for mediocrity or you can never win a championship, but whatever, people are entitled to their overeations.
This isn't how you build the fanbase back. Fans come to games when they know their team is committed to doing whatever it can to win. Letting Larry Bird (an indiana legend) walk because you won't let him spend enough to turn the team into a contender? ouch.
Larry Bird left Pacers job partly due to owner refusing to spend money this offseason
This is kind of ridiculous. I'm interested to hear the response on 1070 Monday.Quote:
Analysts were shocked when Larry Bird announced that he was leaving the Indiana Pacers, as recent reports had the NBA legend hinting at a returning. Besides the health issues which were initially cited, it sounds like Bird had enough of owner Herb Simon refusing to spend money this offseason.
Let's see if the Pacers decide to match the max-level offer sheet restricted free agent Roy Hibbert signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.
According to Mitch Lawrence from nydailynews.com:
Simon turned down Bird’s request to add a scorer, even after the Pacers had problems generating offense against the Miami Heat in their second-round playoff loss. Bird was thinking about getting into the Eric Gordon sweepstakes to make a run at the Hornets’ restricted free agent and former Indiana University star. .... Bird likely used Simon’s rejection as an additional reason to hang it up, one old Celtic said.
But Simon is also known to oppose paying the NBA luxury tax. After leaving, Bird shed some light on what he had to put up with, when asked about making the Pacers better.
“Small market,’’ he said. “It’s tough.’’
..i was jokin'. I just don't think he would say no to adding a scorer. should have put quotations lol
I thought Jackie Macmullan was on 1070 this past week and said something along the lines that she thinks bird will end up back on a team that will open up the wallet a little more.... she talked to him or something... she seemed to kind of reiterate this same sentiment. Sometimes reality hurts.
Who knows what the reminder of the off season holds??? I know one thing we aren't getting a difference maker to take us to a championship caliber team like we could of if we went after one RFA.
It's fine if you want to sugar coat and be unrealistic it but im not really into that kind of thing.
Theres a difference in not spending and not throwing max contracts at a guy who cannot stay healthy.