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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

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Season Records: (W-L)
29-19
(Away: 14-12)
16-35
(Home: 6-19)
Upcoming Games:
Mar 29
Mar 31
Apr 01
Apr 03
Apr 04
vs at at vs at
7:00 pm
8:30 pm
7:00 pm
7:00 pm
7:00 pm


Projected Starting Lineup:
C
PF
SF
SG
PG
HIBBERT
WEST
GRANGER
GEORGE
COLLISON
Projected Starting Lineup:
C
PF
SF
SG
PG
WILLIAMS
HUMPHRIES
WALLACE
BROOKS
WILLIAMS


Pacers
Kyrylo Fesenko, not with team, out
Tyler Hansbrough, hammered by Dunleavy's soft Irish skin, probable

Nets
Damion James, right foot surgery, out
Brook Lopez, right foot, out
Jordan Farmar, sore right groin, out
Anthony Morrow, bruised shoulder, out



Minimally Relevant Video:


Semi-Relevant Video:


Eight Points, Nine Seconds Preview Review:
Tim Donahue: Jeff Foster - Rare

Jeff Foster formally announced his retirement on Monday night. I watched
him play in Blue-and-Gold for 13 seasons. Then I sat in on his retirement
press conference. Then watched him do one-on-one after one-on-one with
local media. However, I don’t think I quite grasped what was happening
until I got the chance to talk to David West about him.

“He’s one of those guys, man, you know...rare,” West opened.

When West said that, my eyeballs clicked. It was a simple, but almost
perfect way to sum up #10 for the Pacers. When taken as a whole, Jeff
Foster has carved out an incredibly rare career.

He played 13 seasons with one team in a league in which that’s virtually
unheard of, even for stars. He’s displayed a savant’s ability at both
rebounding and getting under the skin of the opponent. Foster has seen
some of the best days of this Pacer franchise. More impressively,
however, he has lived through its darkest days and come out the other
side with his dignity and reputation in tact.

West went on, “Not a big statistical guy, in terms of, he’s not going out
and playing for stats. He’s playing the game the right way in terms of
doing what’s necessary to win games. One thing we always used to talk
about when we would scout against Pacers with him, is that you can’t
underestimate his impact. He’s not gonna be out there looking for his
stuff, but he’s going to be looking to make plays for the team.”

Jeff Foster is a guy who averaged fewer than 5 points per game over his
career and never averaged more than 7. Yet, all he did was make his
team better. In the summer of 2003, when the Pacers lost All-Star center
Brad Miller and got little in return, Foster took the starting job over. His
quickness helped transform what was a slow-footed team, and he was no
small contributor to the franchise-record 61-win season. For each of the
past five years, the team has performed better with him on the floor
(according to BasketballValue.com).

Jeff is an easy guy not to “get.” I mentioned to West that my appreciation
for Foster came from watching him so much, but that opposing fans would
often dismiss him. He was the guy who had no offense, looked awkward,
and couldn’t even hit lay ups.

“Yeah, but he’s destroying you,” West responded. “He’s beating on your
bigs. He’s wearing you down. He’s not out there playing the game for
himself. He’s giving it all for the team. That’s rare. You don’t find too
many guys like that around the NBA anymore. It’s become an ‘I’ League.
An ‘I’...‘Me’ sorta league. For him to be able to stay around as long as he
did and be effective is a testament...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


Prokhorov Pontificates:
Nonsense rules of N B and A really bust my borscht. In mother
country, when you want to own nickel mine you go to mine, find
the owner and shoot him then you say "Now I own nickel mine!"
Apparently not true when try to own Magic Dwights. Tonight
important time of vengeance for two years against the Indy of
Apolis where we were dropped like baby on Odessa steps. This
time we say "We want to own pace cars" and then we shoot pace
cars. If team don't win, my GM Billy Jean King will make so.


NETS 117 - PACERS 13
As grandmother say to me "Я раздавить тебя" or "I will crush you"
This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

    I haf major problem with your typing of the stereos. First and most, just because the Michael Dunleavy exfoliates the skin like baby's bottom not mean that he cannot make a hard hammer. His skin make change like Thing in the four fantastics. Next time, do not tell me Fesenko is not with team, I have seen the video images of his clothings in the areas of the Banking house of fields. And last word, you haf not the right to make quotes about the Russian grandmothers, who never use the tense of future, since it is inside of the past where we make living. Cold-winter-war out, *****es!
    You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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    • #3
      Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

      Prokhorov Pontificates:


      Nonsense rules of N B and A really bust my borscht. In mother
      country, when you want to own nickel mine you go to mine, find
      the owner and shoot him then you say "Now I own nickel mine!"
      Apparently not true when try to own Magic Dwights. Tonight
      important time of vengeance for two years against the Indy of
      Apolis where we were dropped like baby on Odessa steps. This
      time we say "We want to own pace cars" and then we shoot pace
      cars. If team don't win, my GM Billy Jean King will make so.

      Is that a real quote? If so, that's pure magic!
      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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      • #4
        Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

        Forgot Nets have Gerald Wallace

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        • #5
          Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

          Does anybody know whether Mike Dunleavy got a fine or something for breaking Tyler's face?

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          • #6
            Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

            Originally posted by Pingu View Post
            Does anybody know whether Mike Dunleavy got a fine or something for breaking Tyler's face?
            i haven't heard anything so i doubt he got one

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            • #7
              Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

              If we win, and Atlanta does their job and loses to Chicago we'll have a 1.5 game lead on the Hawks, which would be nice, especially considering tomorrow's game is very winnable too.
              Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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              • #8
                Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                Is that a real quote?
                Nope.
                This is the darkest timeline.

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                • #9
                  Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                  This is a game we could easily loose by twenty.(coming off an impressive win against a contender) So, a good gauge to see if this team has matured any.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                    My league pass broadband won't load due to "technical difficulties." Anyone else having this problem? Man, I have been really regretful of my league pass purchase lately.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                      Does anyone really know if Mike Dunleavy's Irish skin is soft?

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                      • #12
                        Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                        Originally posted by righteouscool View Post
                        My league pass broadband won't load due to "technical difficulties." Anyone else having this problem? Man, I have been really regretful of my league pass purchase lately.
                        Me too.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by righteouscool View Post
                          My league pass broadband won't load due to "technical difficulties." Anyone else having this problem? Man, I have been really regretful of my league pass purchase lately.
                          Yes! ******* me off! League pass why!?!

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                          • #14
                            Re: 3/28/2012 Game Thread #49: Pacers Vs. Nets

                            I hate how a 7:30 start time really mean 7:40ish.

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                              I'm customer number 6 for league pass customer support......

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