Vogel's a guy whose statements I take at face value. "If I wanted to go the entire season without having a conversation with him I could do that. He believes in letting his coaches coach."
Larry's not forcing Frank to play anyone.
You can say about Bender what you want, his knees were/are a sad story and the contract he got may have been "TO MUCH" (though insurance picked most of the real cost up i am sure) but he was a serisouly talented dude, and showed a lot more then Lance has so far.
Thug? I don't believe I've ever heard that word associated with Henderson b4.
This from someone who can't stand another poster point out a good player in the draft that's better than Rush. How's that trade working out for Rush now? SOS, Mr. Inconsistancy. Just face up to the reality he's just another Rush brother. Speaking of Rush brothers, where's that great 3 pt shooter Kareem these days? Your comment to me sounds more like sour grapes and jealousy than anything else.
I'll be waiting this year on reading YOUR indepth analyze of players in the draft, so I can pick it apart and scoff at your assessments of players. Please don't disappoint me by not stepping up to b/u your choices. My guess is I'll be waiting for not as it's easier to criticize than to back up one's own opinion.
Wouldn't call Henderson a thug, that label takes a repeated pattern of behavior for me, but I think it's safe to call the guy a bit dirty. The kind of dirty that you love if he's wearing blue and gold, but dirty nonetheless.
What irratates me is if the roles were reversed and Henderson had dived on Hill, and Hill got up the same way Henderson did there would be little said from Pacers fans. Definately nothing about Hill being a thug. To be quite honest, I would have expected Hill or any Pacer player to re-act the way Henderson did. We are playing smashmouth hard BB. Take no quarter, give no quarter. You think if Lamibeer had dove on top of Bird that Bird would re-acted any different? This incident incited the Pacers to play better, and win the game. Maybe if something like this had happened in Miami, the Pacers wouldn't have had their ***** handed to them as badly as they did.
Was it Dahntay that "accidently" kicked a Bobcat player in the family jewels? Where is the outcry Dahntay is a thug? Where's the outrage with what Dahntay did? Oh yeah, Dahntay is a Pacer, different set of standards apply.
My feeling there has been some players head hunting Hans, and doing it on purpose to injure him. Like Vogel said "no one wants to play agaist Hans." I don't approve of it in the least. The intent to harm is absolute thugery!!!!!
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In case anyone missed what is being discussed....
Force though, may be too strong of a word. "You can play who you want but I'd prefer you to play X" Isn't forcing, but most coaches would do it, especially a young coach looking for advice from all corners. And even more when that GM is Larry Bird.
Larry has influence on who plays and always has. As does probably a lot of GMs. That's why all of a sudden Hansbrough started playing last season for JOB. And why Lance got in the game for five games.
Anyway, if the Pacers want to play "smashmouth" they're going to have to expect teams to react the way the Bobcats did. That's just the nature of that style of play. Teams will fight back. I don't think our team will mind too much.
Frank Vogel. That is all.
Overall, though, a very impressive debut as color commentator. He's delivery overall has improved immensely since last season on the post game show. Much more smooth and polished. Think he could be really good.
I really like Cro as a commentator because his analysis is absolutely stellar. He picks up on things and has knowledge about how other players play, he can read a scouting report, he points out growth in our players (a huge plus), and he has a lot of knowledge combined with a love for the Pacers which is great... I already hope he replaces Quinn.. Not that I have a hate for him, but Croshere is just that good.