If I were in charge I would try to steal DeAndre Jordan from the Clips for relatively cheap. If (when) that doesen't work, I would hope to pick up Kwame Brown for as little as possible. Either way, there is no one on these lists I feel comfortable offering max/near max level contracts to.
Unless we get David West at a reduced rate (whatever that may be) I say we pass, and wait until next year when the FA class will be CRAZY
Its not like we are "one player away from championship contention" so might want to save the money
DC - 30-32 mpg ( on average 31 mpg )
Granger - 32-34 mpg ( on average 33 mpg at the SF spot )
PG - 26-28 mpg ( on average 27 mpg split at the SG spot )
GH - 26-28 mpg ( on average 27 mpg split between the PG and SG spots )
??? - 26 mpg ( split between the the backup SG and SF spots )
Personally, I think that there is a need to get an additional scoring threat on the floor. PG could be that guy this season...but than again...it may take another season or two for him to figure it out. I don't want to wait.
I'd prefer to reduce Granger's minutes...but if there is an opportunity to get a solid scoring SG like Mayo ( or anyone else...like Afflalo or a cheaper option like Reggie Williams via FA ), than the minutes are there.
If we were to get him though, we might as well trade Rush for peanuts or cut him, because there would be absolutely no minutes for him.
We know that the Pacers HAVE to add roughly $12 mil in 2011-2012 Salary before the end of the trade deadline.
IF the Pacers decide NOT to go after huge Players...in other words....not spend all of the $$$ in one shot....what positions of need ( and therefore Players ) do you think that we have to pursue in order to reach that goal of spending $12 mil?
At the very least.....I'm thinking making a run at Kwame at $4-5 mil a year and Foster at $2.5 mil a year to fill out the Frontcourt. Kwame can fill the role that Foster played last season ( the guy that backed up Hibbert ) and Foster can fill the role of Solo in the rotation last season ( the guy that filled in when the someone in the frontcourt was injured ).
He's a good player, but let's be realistic. Paying max money to a guy that averaged 11 and 7 last year just because of one playoff run is that last thing we need to be considering doing.
That would be as bad as murphy and croshere, maybe almost as bad as both combined.
He isn't that much better than Roy, would you give him anywhere near 25-30 percent of our WHOLE salary cap?
I'm hope our management doesn't think that way.
Personally, I know that I'm in the minority....but I honestly wouldn't mind if we didn't add another backcourt Player and just divy up the remaining 22-26 mpg between Inferno and some combination of BRush or Lance.
A Foster 1 or 2 year deal would not surprise me at all. Might even pay him slightly more than he's worth as a little thank you for not going to a contender.
We'll definitely need another backup 5, so yeah a guy like Kwame (probably worse I'd guess) will eat up a few mil.
If we don't sign a big money 4 (or trade for one) we'll need to either re-sign Josh or get a backup 4.
But yes I do like the Reggie Williams guy but I have a feeling that he will end up being a guy coveted by a lot of teams.
I'd throw a near Max at Nene. He's closest to being worth it, and there aren't too many other more attractive options this year, plus now that deals are only 4 years he'll likely still be productive by the end.
If David West is discounted i'm all for going for him 4 years isn't too bad and his game isn't predicated on athleticism, we know he works well with Collison, and he was arguably having his best year when he got injured.
Otherwise i'd just sign temporary/ 1 year frontloaded players and roll the dice and hope in next years FA class.
Keep in mind that if the pacers save money this year and make a big splash we may actually be an attractive destination basketballwise for a bigger name player. We can't let the small market stigma become a self-fufilling prophecy. If we can put our selves out there, whats the harm? Beats spending cash on albatross contracts out of panic.
David West(notes) has a message for any NBA teams looking to sign an elite power forward when the free-agent market opens on Dec. 9: If you pass on him because of concerns about his surgically repaired left knee, you’ll regret it.
One of the more productive players at his position in recent years, West tore his left anterior cruciate ligament late last season. West, 31, says his knee feels strong and he’s progressed to playing with some contact.
“I’m glad they’re doubting me,” West told Yahoo! Sports. “I am going to shock folks. I have not stopped working. No vacations. No family time. No chilling. I have not worked this hard or as consistent in any point of my career, college or pro.”
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David West tore his left anterior cruciate ligament near the end of last season.
West has played his entire NBA career with the New Orleans Hornets. But while the Hornets are interested in re-signing him, West plans to assess all his free-agent options. The franchise’s future is uncertain for two reasons: The NBA still is looking for an owner for the Hornets; and All-Star guard Chris Paul(notes) could end up being traded if New Orleans fears he’ll leave as a free agent at the end of next season.
“Basically, I’m looking at the best option for the next few years of my career,” West said. “I want to win. … I’m really going to look at every option closely and make a well thought-out decision.”
West probably won’t have
Honestly if we signed West we will have a strong chance to be a really good and balanced team, but we have just as good a chance to have him on the bench for half the seasons going forward because he can't play back to back games or something like that. It will be like JO all over again.
8-10 Million a year is all i'd offer him. I know he thinks he deserves more but he needs to realize that life isn't fair. He got injured pretty bad. So you can't blame teams for lowering their offers.
If anything his is the type of contract to put some sort of performance bonus in their for games played.
I do agree that hype seems to outweigh substance with regards to Gasol. His numbers dip this year should have been troubling, but no one seems to think it's a problem. The Grizz's success and Gasol's excellent run during the playoffs seem to have put those fears to rest.
It's possible that Gasol could get a max offer but I don't think he's worth that. However, it would probably take a max or near max offer to pry him away from the Grizz.
Another RFA I like is Thad Young, but I don't think we can give him the minutes he'll be wanting.
Reggie Williams wouldn't be a bad addition.
I think Nene should still be the Pacers' #1 target. Unfortunately, he's probably the best FA in this weak market, which means he'll probably get overpaid. I think we'll drop out if the bidding gets too hot.
David West should be a good fit, but his injury and age bug me. My feeling is that West is a bad contract waiting to happen. He would be a nice addition if he can stay healthy though.
Chuck Hayes doesn't get mentioned enough as an affordable PF/C option. I'd take him over Kwame Brown any day. And I think Kwame would be a decent option.
Should it be automatically assumed that FA offers going forward will be smaller than recent years? After all the salaries are supposed to be 50% of BRI. If players ultimately have to get paid less don't they?
We've been talking about Max contracts in the 14 million range, but with the new CBA won't max contracts be less than that?
Ok I am starting to believe the Milsap trade talks now.. I didn't realize that Pritchard was the the GM that offered Milsap a front loaded contract in 2009 that the Jazz matched. Its starting to come full circle and it could be the reason why GHill could be starting this year and not Collison.
In fact, there's speculation that the new stretch provision could encourage even more reckless spending, since it would be easier to waive a player if he doesn't work out.
Edit: starting salary for max contracts will remain about the same, but with fewer years and smaller raises, the total value of a max contract would be less than before.
The Indianapolis Star recently reported the Pacers might pursue Jazz forward Paul Millsap once the NBA lockout ends and the 2011-12 free agent market opens for business.
Millsap was Utah's best player during 2010-11, battling through numerous injuries to average a career high 17.3 points during 76 games (all starts). The 26-year-old is still under contract for two more seasons, set to make a combined $13.5 million before he likely enters the prime of his career.
However, The Salt Lake Tribune reported in June that Millsap was on the trade block during the 2011 NBA Draft and was pursued by several teams. One of which was the Pacers, The Star reports.
Making Indy's reported interest even more interesting is a two-year connection that links the Jazz with the Pacers and Portland. Former Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard played a key role in Portland's 2009 attempt to lure Millsap away from Utah with a "toxic" front-loaded restricted free agent offer sheet. The Jazz matched the deal, and many at the time said the small-market franchise wildly overpaid for a reserve 'tweener.
Two years later, Millsap is technically underpaid and could be the centerpiece of a young Utah team attempting to win games and return to the playoffs during a compressed 66-game season that will place an emphasis upon proven players. Millsap knows the Jazz's system, he is a leader on and off the court, and he's shown a willingness to alter his playing style to fit the construction of his team — he temporarily slid down to small forward from power forward during the end of Utah's disappointing 2010-11 season.
Meanwhile, the Pacers have a new director of player of personnel: Pritchard. And the back end of Millsap's deal — $6.7 million this season; $7.2 million next year — makes him an attractive, trusted commodity in an uncertain market.
The Jazz will have many important decisions to make during what is expected to be a chaotic free agency period scheduled to start Dec. 9. Determining Millsap's role and future with Utah could be the biggest.
Utah could keep it simple: replicate 2010-11 by starting Millsap at power forward and Al Jefferson at center, and surround the undersized front-court duo with Devin Harris, C.J. Miles/Raja Bell and Gordon Hayward. That would allow Derrick Favors, Alec Burks and Enes Kanter time to develop, and provide Utah with a reliable, veteran offensive scoring trio of Millsap, Jefferson and Harris to get the team through the initial part of the season. The Jazz could then still choose to trade Millsap before the 2011-12 trade deadline or the time surrounding the 2012 draft if Favors and/or Kanter push their way into the starting lineup. (Favors is much more likely, since Kanter is expected to be a work in progress.)
Millsap's trade value is high now, though, some teams could be needier than normal during free agency, and Utah has at least been open in the past to gauging his market value. Factor in that he will likely ask for a big-time contract extension if he has an All-Star year during 2011-12, and the Millsap question is not going away anytime soon. In many ways, he's the best and most reliable player on Utah's roster. Yet the chances of him remaining with the Jazz after 2012-13 are 50-50, at best, and he's currently the most tradable asset a rebuilding franchise possesses.
Here are the comments from some of the fan
Brian Skinner 6 minutes ago
Keep Millsap. He earns every penny he makes.
Flag Like ReplyReply worldwideshorts 55 minutes ago
the problem with the Pacers is that they don't have anyone they are willing to part with that we want. this might need to be a 3 way deal at least or would the Jazz angle to be to free up players salaries they just don't want? not Paul but say Memo or other?
Collison is the best option but they don't have any other PGs. So maybe Collison + 1 for Paul and Devin?
Hibbert is a freak of length so why would they give up on him now? he has been criticized for lack of physiciality but still an enigma worth holding onto considering the match up problems he puts on defenders.
Paul George...why would they part with their best athlete? I'll take George any day if he is available.
Flag Like ReplyReply termlimitswillsetusfree 1 hour ago
Great teams are not build from Kobes or Lebrons, The are build from Duncans ans Norwinskis and Millsaps. Millsap is a non ego bulldog who gives 100% when his body is at .80%. ITs players like him you have to keep. They win you games. I f I was the Jazz I would demand 2 first round draft picks and if Portland is involved, Wesley Matthiews. Jazz look to the future and keep Paul, for the team and the fans.
Flag Like ReplyReply Steve Andrus 51 minutes ago in reply to termlimitswillsetusfree
Milsap is too small to defend the post and he can't guard a 3, move him while his value is high, get a good 2 guard and scorer and let Favors develop.
Flag Like ReplyReply worldwideshorts 1 hour ago in reply to termlimitswillsetusfree
I hate the Lakers more than anybody. But saying that great teams are built from Kobes and Duncan is more defensible I think.
But I agree the great teams need good physical hustle players and excellent role players.
Flag Like ReplyReply Broox Anderson 2 hours ago
First off, Paul Millsap is only 26 years old. Secondly, he was in now way, shape, or form the Jazz's best player. You think at this level of profession, a reporter would get his facts straight.
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Flag Like ReplyReply worldwideshorts 59 minutes ago in reply to Broox Anderson
it is just an opinion. he probably is just evaluating in hindsight the stats but yes you can argue other players who have better fantasy value for sure.
Flag Like ReplyReply utahmansir84 2 hours ago
Millsap and the GS 1st rounder for Granger
Flag 1 person liked this. Like ReplyReply worldwideshorts 1 hour ago in reply to utahmansir84
i'm sure Granger is off the table.
Flag Like ReplyReply Scott Palmer 1 hour ago in reply to utahmansir84
not the GS first rounder, miles and millsap for granger
I'd do that. Heck, I'd say we'd take on Raja Bell's contract too if that would swing the deal.Quote:
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