Any reaction from Vogel in the post game presser?
Any reaction from Vogel in the post game presser?
If i'm Vogel ( easy for me to say obvioulsy ), I start all the bench players the next game. Lance, PG, Ty, Jeff, Posey you wanna start? I'm sure Posey would love to go out there and give some effort. I bet Solomon Jones would atleast provide effort. I'm not saying the bench is better, but right now, someone needs to send these starters a message. Vogel needs to let these guys know that this half assed horrible basketball is not acceptable and if they're gunna be starters on a " NBA pro team " , then they need to play like NBA Pro's.
Enough with this ****. I'm so tired of the same ****. And **** Larry Bird. I dont want that guy making trades and spending the cap space. He hasnt done **** for 4 years. Pritchard would work a miracle with the cap space we have. He needs to be the guy.
Danny is the only two players with the right to yell at anyone tonight. But if it's from the Goon squad, at least it's coming from players with intensity.
I've got a feeling it's Dahntay and Jeff though. Seeing as they were the ones yelling in the game. And I've gotta say, Dahntay shouldn't be here.
BTW, I think Tyler was joking about the Lance thing (Ish, Lance isn't a part of the goon squad right now.)
And Price's point was that this unit plays well together, and mixing a starter in doesn't work as well. That's not being exclusive, it's making an observation.
we can move this player with that player and try this offence and this defense,but I think every combination has be tried , it is not going work. What we need is a complete change this offseason.
They probably are annoyed with their teammates though. It probably sucks to have to come in every night and dig the team out of a 10+ point hole.
As for the other posts about starting the Goon Squad, starting them would mean more minutes for them, which may or may not be bad on an individual player basis (e.g., Jeff may not be able to take the extra pounding that 30+ minutes per game might bring). Why risk injury or prolonged debilitation?
On the other hand, many posters have complained that the younsters should play more. Although we could have to endure tons more blowouts that way.
Oh irrationality, how I hate thee
I don't think Jeff Foster particularly helps the defense.... and his offense is questionable at best...
...I'm not sure I like seeing Lance get the minutes he's getting unless we're giving up on the playoffs and building for the future. I think Lance either should've been getting minutes all along and slowly building them this season, or they needed to consider keeping him on ice the entire year... and/or just dressing him for garbage minutes this season. What I'm saying is I think he throws a monkey wrench into the works trying to suddenly carve out meaningful minutes for him.
I think it throws a kink into the chemistry. I also think the 'not happening' trade talk leaking out hurt chemistry.
To me, the team is actually being ran like it's a developing team and the playoffs aren't really the goal now. I'm fine with that to a point, although I think for this team the playoffs are realistically a goal without O'Brien here. So it surprises me to see the organization actually acting like the playoffs aren't really 'the' goal afterall. Where was that attitude during the 4 wasted O'Brien years? (Technically, year 1 maybe wasn't wasted... the rest IMHO were a waste of everyone's time).
There's going to be ups and downs when you're finding developmental minutes for players and using your youth. It's hard to complain when I think that's what should've been done for some time. And with the improved coaching, and smart use of our players, the playoffs were a realistic thought for this season (once O'Brien was gone). But instead we seemed to have decided developing players is more important than the playoffs this season. Possibly, that attitude has also created a chemistry issue among the players.
Oh well... I just want them to stick with a real plan and see it through. If it's developmental minutes and taking our lumps, so be it. But then let's not panic if the developmental minutes approach leads to some losses and the loss of the playoff goal.
Don't think everything needs change, but a few things need looked at when you're getting embarrassed like we have, and the only player out is Dunleavy. And the 1st unit has been playing terrible.
I peeked into the game thread...good lord. How about we stop losing our s*** over the ups and downs of developing and evaluating the talent. JOB needed to do this 2 years ago and now we are suffering for it.
I'm really sick of seeing UB make cracks that suggest that any of us thought that firing JOB was due to the wins and losses.
Listen Buck, I'm talking directly to you on this one - you darn well know that I explicitly told my ticket rep that I DID NOT CARE ABOUT THE WINS AND LOSSES. Again that's DID NOT CARE.
I said that I wanted to stop worrying about the W-L record and start worrying about getting the young kids on the court so they could get on with learning how to play NBA ball AND so that we could get on with evaluating their chances as NBA talent.
How can you know what needs to be fixed if you don't find out what is broken?
So as frustrating as some of their poor play can be, as much as it sucks seeing guys like Foster dragging due to the losses, it's also exciting and interesting to see those moments when things start to click.
what happened to the team that almost beat Miami on the road?
I don't understand putting him on ice for 2/3rds of the season because of the court case and then suddenly throwing him to the wolves in the stretch run for the playoffs. ...Unless TPTB have decided the playoffs are not really the goal they've been in the past afterall... even if the playoff chances were probably more realistic now than at any time over the past several seasons.
But, like I said, I'm fine with developing players and seeing what we have. I think the playoffs are fools gold for weak teams anyway. It's just this handling of Lance I find odd.
Typically it's little mistakes that blow up into bad plays, especially sloppy offense or poor shot selection that becomes transition offense. Like Tyler getting stuffed to the floor tonight, goes the other way and Tyler commits the foul. Or Lance throwing that horrible pass right to the Rockets.
And Roy could be a whole book on inconsistency himself.
You don't get better for free. It's a long grind.
While I do think there are flaws in our offensive and defensive scheme (mainly they help defense), the youth on this team is going to give us games like this and games like playing against Miami.
You can't just trade people like this is 2k11. Jackson and Harrington didn't exactly have the best of trade values then. **** is a lot easier said than done. Was it a great trade? Of course not, but we are turning it into DC and cap space this off season.
And Danny is fine. He is 27 and has plenty of years left in him.