I can give you Rush's offensive scouting report pretty easily. "Don't lose him. Force him to put the ball on the floor, because he will quickly give it up." Done. And while I'm sure they have multiple pages dedicated to him, a lot of it will be charts/graphs of where he likes to shoot, and most of it will be redundant.
Rush is definately a consistent 3pt shooter. But he is no way a consistent shooter overall. He would be if he shot the ball more, but he doesn't so....
if its not clear now.. i dont know how else to illustrate it.. there is a difference b/t shooting the ball on the move, coming off a screen, and with a defender only trailing you for a second, which is what happens to ray allen, and then there is rush, who only shoots when he is open and feet are set.
but i guess that type of logic doesnt apply and clearly rush is a much better shooter than ray allen b/c the %'s are always 100% accurate.
Have I once IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD, compared Brandon Rush to Ray Allen and said that I would like to have Rush play shooting guard over Allen?
You are the one that keeps making those ridiculous comparisons. The poll does not say "is Brandon Rush the best shooter in the NBA" or "is Brandon Rush better than Ray Allen"?
How hard is that to comprehend?
Thats why I compared him to lowly Kapono
He is one of the top 3 point shooters in the league on a % basis as well as %+attempts. That doesn't compare him directly to Ray Allen at all.
I mean Rush shot nearly 4 3s/game last year. That's not shooting it very often? How many times do you guys want him shooting the 3 to prove he's consistent? Should he be taking 6/game? 7? 8?
form doesnt matter, i suggested rush improve his follow through in an effort to see him improve; but if a guy can shoot it with unorthodox form like REG.. so be it.
lastly, i have made several points on this and why Rush's stats are misleading. i dont know how to make it any clearer than i have already. rush likely shot a high % due to the fact he is WIDE OPEN when he does shoot it. if Allen or Granger were able to shoot wide open 3's, they would likely be in the 60's when it comes to percentages from behind the arc.
or.... if Rush ever shot the ball on a fast break transition attempt as opposed to a set shot, his %'s would not be as high.
maybe there is a misunderstanding b/t how i view an accurate 3pt shooter and your definition. rush was drafted on his ability to shoot. but good shooters in this league are not going to get wide open looks, they have to be able to move w/o the ball, get around screens, and still hit the shot with a hand in their face.. rush cannot do that and that is the REASON he attempts so few shots!!!
if Rush were a good shooter, he would be bold enough to shoot when his feet are not set, coming off a screen or in transition as Granger does.. but rush is not that good of a shooter and that is the reason his attempts are low. sure.. he can shoot 41 % when he is wide open.. but most players in this league that are SG's when left open should be able to hit the shot. what separates the good/great shooters from the average ones is the the ability to hit contested shots on the move.. something rush will not even attempt.
again, maybe he worked on his shooting over the summer and i will be proven wrong, but based on what i have seen, his brother was a much better shooter. does rush have the ability to become a good shooter, i believe yes, but i have yet to see any reason that i would trust him with a game winner.
Granger, Dunleavy, Posey, and even George appear to all be better shooters at this point in there career, and i might add aj price to the list if i have seen him play more than he has.
ive always been told and firmly believe that good shooting starts at the free throw line. if you are a good shooter than you should average 80%. rush is in the freaking 60's so pls spare me this "is this real life" stuff until rush gets around 75% from the stripe, and actually has the courage to take and make contested 3's.
Also, I have a feeling that if Rush was averaging 20 ppg and this thread was up, even if he was still only shooting 3.7 3s/game, we'd have an entirely different result up there. Which is a shame. Being a good scorer, and being a good shooter are not the same thing in every case. I feel Rush is being punished by some for not being a good scorer or not being aggressive enough.
I can think of 100 different good shooters that don't have to come flying off screens to get their shot off. That is something good SCORERS have to deal with.
Second of all, do you really believe Rush attempts few shots? That's what I want to focus on. He's well above the league average on 3 pointers attempted both over the course of a season and per game.
the %'s may be comparable, but were the number of attempts? also, were defenders slacking off REG and letting him shoot open jumpers so they could double elsewhere. all these things must be taken into consideration.
Reggie his rookie year shot 172 3s. Rush shot 209.
Reggie his second year shot 224 3s. Rush shot 302.
Now who's shots were more open? I wasn't able to watch, so I can't say for sure, but based off what I know of those two years in Pacers history, I'm going to say they were probably in pretty similar situations. Why? Because the Pacers of the late 80's weren't a whole lot different than the Pacers of today. They had this guy named Chuck Person who much like Danny Granger drew the focus of the defense. So I'm imagining Reggie got a lot of his looks in his first two years in a similar fashion to how Brandon did these past two.
They were wired differently though, and thus why Reggie became a great SCORER, while Brandon will probably only remain a great SHOOTER.
I would need someone who wasn't 1 year old then to confirm my thoughts for me, but I'm really doubting Reggie was the primary focus of the opposing defense his first two years.
for example, rush may shoot 70% of his 3's over the course of a season with time to set, and get a good look at the rim; leaving the other 30% to be contested.
if rush were known as a consistent threat from deep like a Danny Granger, Ray Allen, or Reggie Miller.. the number of contested shots would be more like 70% and the open shots with time to set would be 30%.
it does not suprise me at all rush averages 3 threes a game.. because thats really all he does is camp out at the 3 pt line waiting for an open look.
And again, numbers don't lie. If Brandon Rush's 3pt% hovers around 40% for his career, he's a good shooter. That doesn't make him a clutch shooter.
1.) One of your main complaints this whole time has been that he doesn't shoot it enough to know one way or the other.
2.) Rush's man is a lot more willing to leave him because frankly, Rush doesn't have a single other part of his offensive game that at this point in time commands attention. I guarantee you though, that every single scouting report in the NBA on Rush says that he is a 3 point threat. I mean I would be absolutely shocked if this wasn't the case.
And you still haven't addressed the fact that are different kinds of shooters, Danny and Brandon are two entirely different shooters. They don't even attempt the same kinds of shots. Danny looks for 3s in transition, while Brandon looks for 3s in a half court setting. We saw Danny in the 3pt contest in a more half court, feet set environment and he did miserably.
either way.. calling rush a great shooter at this point in his career is kinda hard to accept. he may eventually become a good shooter, but he has alot of work ahead if we wants to be mentioned in the same sentence as Reggie.
1.) I've never said he's as a good a shooter as Reggie, as clutch a shooter as Reggie, or that he will ever be Reggie Miller. You brought up Reggie first when you said Reggie had never, in his entire career, airballed an open 3. Count already proved that wrong. All I said, was that Reggie and Rush joined the Pacers in comparable situations, but they are wired 100% differently.
2.) You claim to be such a basketball expert, yet you think the NBA 3 point line was introduced the same year Reggie entered the league? Um, no. The NBA adopted the 3 point line for the 1979-1980 season. So basically 8 years before Reggie ever stepped onto an NBA court.
I'm not sure what this means...numbers are numbers. Unless NBA 3 point shooting suffered some sort of inflationary event, is a 3 pointer today worth more than a 3 pointer tomorrow. What's the exchange rate on an NBA 3 pointer when traded for a Euro League 3 pointer?Quote:
Originally Posted by PacersPride
Was Reggie a consistent 3 point threat? He matched Rush's percentage 5 times in his 18 season career and didn't match Rush's 3 PT made 7 times.