Don't you hate when your stupidity is forever etched in the internet!
I don't think there's been a good fit as coach since Bird. I'm not some blind Bird fan, but IT was clueless, Carlisle was a square peg in a round hole, and JOB's best coaching effort wouldn't yield 45 wins as long as he's here. Square peg/round hole vs. recycled coach--I'll pass on both.
You're in four bands. You need never be ashamed.
Enough talk about the coach! Geeze.
Id like someone in the middle of the two, not a control freak but not someone that lets the cannons fire at will.
If you can't love the one you want, love the one you're with.
Actually prefer a less micromanaged team, so I went with JOB, who I think is doing well considering the injuries and lack of a strong offensive post threat. (And, no, I don't want JO back, so don't post that poll. ;))
Doug, your post is everything I wanted to say when battling everyone that just wants to look at the "tip of the iceberg". Obie is doing a fine job for this rebuilding project.
I'll throw more support to Doug's post.
[QUOTE=Unclebuck;827629]I like them both a lot.
I do laugh now that so many think Rick is a great coach, where were many of you two and thre years ago[/QUOTE
Who you don't like? :rolleyes:
I've seen you complain and complain and complain about O'Brien on this forum in the last few days but you've never really explained why. So yeah, I'm calling you out, give me a detailed explanation of what you don't like about JOB. Basketball is the man's profession and I don't know about you but I wouldn't want someone throwing one liners to me about my job unless they had some sort of legitimate substance to back it up.
I think the question has some legitimacy when you consider the contrast in the style between the coaches. IMO, their styles are polar opposites...and usually people tend to favor one of the two. But of course it is always more complicated.
Maybe the personnel, their level of development, the circumstances of the franchise, etc. dictates that we have a certain type of coach. But some of that goes beyond what is happening on the basketball court and even in practice. I think JOb's greatest value is what he brings as a manager in terms of how he manages PR and the discipline and respect he demands. At this stage, that might be best for the team even if watching games requires a little maalox for some of us.
Regarding JOB I already said that he is not a good coach, but at this time I know the pacers are not going to the playoffs and I know he is giving the pacers the best chance to get a good lottery pick. People complain about Rick play call(I don't like Rick) but JOB calls every single play too, he is not the coach of the future, but he is the coach for the now(lottery).
NOTE: call down dcpacersfan, this is just a forum :box: I am also older than you.
He's talking about HOW you're speaking to him.
Wait, did you say Jim calls every play like Rick did?
Jim doesn't call the play often at all. The whole point of his offense is that it's meant to be random. Calling a set play would defeat the point, which is why O'Brien doesn't often do that.
Frankly I don't think either coach is right for this team. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Carlisle, even when we lost, it was never because he made wrong decisions. As I said though, I don't think he'd be a good coach for this team. Ideally, I think Avery Johnson would be a perfect coach for us, if we wanted to try a rookie coach I'd take Mark Jackson.
I was thinking the other day, I don't believe O'Brien has ever coached a legitiment post threat. I'm wondering if he can make an adjustment to the post game, because the only decent big hes had in his past(that I am aware of) is Antoine Walker, who is more of a Murphy like player.
I loved most of what Rick did from a coaching standpoint. He worked to limit turnovers. He slowed down the offense and focused on shutting down the other team on D. The only bone was throwing it into JO too much. Rick would be a better coach if he had JOb's personality.
BTW, there's a reason why Rick is coaching the Dallas Mavericks. I don't think a scrub coach would have landed that gig. He has coached some very good franchises in the NBA (Detroit, Indiana, Dallas) and his record speaks for itself.