Yet, I remain unsurprised.
Yet, I remain unsurprised.
Pathetic. I really hope the Patriots have a good explanation for this. It did seem like the Pats were picking up the blitz unusually well all game...but I was hoping that was more due to the fact that the Patriots offensive line had improved in the offseason.
With that said, it is no surprise that this happened against the Jets. The Patriots as an organization despise the Jets and it goes vice versa.
Here's a story for you from Peter King's Monday Morning QB article.
3. I think the most overplayed story of Week 1 was the subterfuge angle of former players spilling the beans to the enemy. Just like Jason David's information on the Indy offense meant nothing to New Orleans' defense in the Colts' 41-10 beatdown of the Saints, the importation of former Patriot Reche Caldwell for a look-see and the Patriots bringing in ex-Jets Tim Dwight and Bobby Hamilton (on the QT Friday) meant nothing to the outcome of the Patriots' win over the Jets. Maybe the Jets learned a scintilla about the physical condition of Randy Moss -- maybe -- but as far as strategy or signals or audible signs ... fiction.
"It's the most overrated thing in sports,'' said Peyton Manning, who went on to give me a great example of how a foreign agent can actually hurt a team's preparation. "The classic was when we're playing Cleveland and they got [former Colts backup quarterback and offensive assistant] Kelly Holcomb and Bruce Arians. It's Tony Dungy's first year, maybe 2002. So the Browns grill Holcomb all week, 'You got to give us something' and he says, 'I'm telling you, Peyton's going to change it up. He knows I'm here, he's going to give you a dummy audible early. I'm telling you, he's not stupid. So, just play your keys.'
"They're up 16-3, I think, at the half," said Manning. "Second half, we get a good drive going and it's fourth-and-three. So we run our bread and butter play, a little five-yard under route. Well, I signal the play and Holcomb -- it's the same signal -- so he says, 'Ah, now I'm going to help them.' So he says, 'They're running the five-yard under play! Five-yard under play!"
"And so you can see it on the film -- they're going, 'Watch the slants, watch the slants.' So they load up, all inside technique, and they go into a man defense. Well, I see this and I see the defenders all change up -- that's the thing about the no-huddle, I can see this -- and I kept the receivers doing the same thing and I checked to a zone running play and it's only six guys who gotta know -- the linemen and the back [James Mungro]. And he goes 29 yards untouched for a touchdown. And so their guys go to Holcomb, all pissed off, 'So, they're running a slant, huh? Thanks a freaking lot, Holcomb.'
Also investigating some radio frequency issues, hmmmm. . . The amazing intuition of their defense in all those playoff games comes into real question now, when they always just happened to get a jump on all our plays and were always praised for the amazing abililty to have players in the right position. After reading about how Bellichick treated Ted Johnson when he had all those brain concussions, nothing would suprise me regarding his breaking the rules of decency or the NFL in order to win.
Someone is seriously comparing this to some alleged crowd noise fabrication which everyone knows was a figment of one of Ben Rottenliesburger's acid flashbacks?
Didn't they have a similar situation against the Dolphins last year as well?
I'll wait to see what develops before jumping to conclusions.
Could put an * around all this dynasty talk if found guilty
Wow, this is pretty serious actually.
Big difference between asking an ex-player and using technology to steal or spy.Quote:
"It's not their first time," a member of the committee, who did not wish to be identified, said.
In fact, Green Bay Packers president Bob Harlan confirmed a similar incident that occurred when the Patriots played at Lambeau Field last Nov. 19. The same cameraman who was questioned by NFL security on Sunday was also the one whom the Packers removed from the sideline and escorted from the field during their 2006 game, according to Packers security official Doug Collins. "From what I can remember, he had quite a fit when we took him out," Harlan said. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it."
The fake crowd noise was alleged by a hack reporter, I believe. And, maybe Big Ben.
Are you really comparing possible spying to a fake story about crowd noise?
Seriously? If you are, then you lose all credibility.
:bs: on your part.
There could be an element of payback going on, or maybe some Pats guy was trying to seroiusly annoy the Jets coaches.
It's unlikely that recording possible signals helped them much in Sundays game. Did they record them, use some universal remote to freeze time (the movie "Clicker"), analyze the tape, figure out the signal, then restart the space-time continuum and let the Pats coachs know what was coming?
Then they used this information to make the Jets miss tackles, make penalties, and on offense drop balls.
If they were cheating, it was to find something to use in the later rematch game.
Make no mistake, if they did this then it is very wrong and they should be punished severely.
Also, since Belichick is God, he is already all-knowing, so he knew what was coming anyway. ;)
Absolutely no one around here is shocked and they generally assume the Pats cheat as much as possible every game. It's only wrong if you get caught!
Belichick has always been a dick. Dick.
here is a link to a blog with a picture of the guy doing it... the picture is hella big, otherwise i'd post it here.
if you click on it you can see a guy with a camera circled
You mean the guy was on Jets sidelines? I thought he was taking from the Pats sidelines
And Goodell has determined that the Patsies need some punishments
Wow, that is pretty funny. You would think he would be using a home camcorder or something..but no. He's sitting there with a 50 pound camera over his shoulder about 20 feet away from the Jets coaches.
Someone left a funny comment though on that site though. "I guess that is why they only had 3 guys covering Moss on that 60 yard bomb TD."
I am still embarassed as a fan though. I'm sure the Pats will lose a few picks over this incident.
Coming from the Patriot this doesn't surprise me at all. The Jets were not as good as the Pats on Sunday, but they certainly weren't that bad either.
After looking at the confiscated videotape the league has concluded the Patriot's did indeed knowingly violate league rules:
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, according to league sources. NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion. Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said.
The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents. The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said on Tuesday that no official decision has been made and that the club has not been notified. The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game. Goodell is expected to have a decision no later than Friday but that is not set in stone.
Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.
What a toolish thing to do. (Stealing signals)
This same thing happening against the Packers tells me its not some isolated incident. The Pats would have no incentive to do this with the Pack so if they were doing it to them, I'm sure they were doing it to just about everybody.
Can't say I'm surprised. Pats might be a successful franchise, but I don't think anyone will ever mistake them for a classy franchise.
One of their defensive players let it slip in a postgame interview to a local paper that they had reviewed film and audio to figure out the Patriots play-calling.
The film he was talking about was not coach's tapes, official game film, or TV audio. It was audio and maybe video recorded by Dolphins personnel or bought from a 3rd party spy of Patriot's coaches and their signals.
It was the second game between them of the year.
This could be a case of "they are doing it to us, so we will do it to them"
That doesn't make it right, but makes it at least somewhat understandable.
The NFL investigated it, the Dolphins denied it, they had no "smoking gun" i.e. an actual illegally obtained tape, so there was no penalty.
This incident did provoke a league-wide warning, which the Pats apparently ignored, and that is probably what ticks off the commish the most.
And now folks you know why during training camp the Colts were so damn paranoid about people with video equipment. They even dictate to the television stations shooting video for the news casts which way they could point their cameras.
They eased up finally this year and I suspect because #1 there are just too many folks out there with digital to police or #2 they change everything up once they get back on their home turf so it doesn't matter.
Word is Polian had every non-NFL affiliated camera removed from the field prior to the AFC championship game for this exact reason.
If Goodell really wants to send a message he should do what they do in the NCAA - in addition to sanctions the Pats have to forfeit the Jets' game.
THAT would get people's attention.
September 12, 2007
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
Bill Belichick released the following statement today:
"Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league’s decision, I will have further comment."