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  • Five questions

    • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
    • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
    • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
    • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
    • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?

  • #2
    Re: Five questions

    1) No - hoping Harrison has a solid season
    2) NO - unless Bender is healthy all season...hahahahahaha
    3) I really do not like AJ - he is a slow Travis Best with a worse shot... dribble dribble dribble
    4) I do not see where JJ gets his minutes
    5) I think AC will still be here - 20% - great white hope factor
    Heywoode says... work hard man.

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    • #3
      Re: Five questions

      Yes, but if a deal comes along for Magloire, take it.
      No! We don't have anyone that consistently hit, unless its JJ.
      No. I don't have a problem with AJ, just Tinsley, Tinsley needs to move.
      No. I like James, if we can resign him cheap, go for it, if not, bye.
      35%. Pacers have alot of loyalty, that's why he will stay.
      Sorry, I didn't know advertising was illegal here. Someone call the cops!

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      • #4
        Re: Five questions

        1) Jermaine is the center on offense. I am happy with DD and HULK and Jeff playing center on defense.
        2)IMO Jax is too streaky for a starting 2. Freddie has gotten significantly better each season. His hand injury stopped him from impressing everyone this playoffs. Tins is much improved as was AJ. JJ is good and going to get better. Bender can shoot it for a 4. We're "ok" but not good. Will Granger help?
        3) Yes
        4)JJ showed me a real knack for playing under pressure. He has a sweet stroke, rebounds well and is a surprisingly good shot blocker. His attitude is perfect and he works very hard. He's a keeper. Artest could flame out at ANY moment. If/when he does, I'd like to have Granger AND JJ to fill that spot. If it's affordable.
        If by some miracle Artest DOES change and makes it through the season intact, THEN trade JJ.
        No it's not loyalty, I liked what I saw.
        5) 99%. The 1% only IF the team shared the attitude of fans here and dumped Bender instead. Given that Cro has peaked and Bender is still very young I find that highly unlikely. Make it 99.9%

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        • #5
          Re: Five questions

          1 - No, I'd prefer a center who shares a lot of thier skill while also being able to hit a 10-12 foot shot.
          2 - No, our post-Reggie players are way too inconsistent.
          3 - AJ is a great backup. He is not the ball-handler and distributor that Tinsley is, but is a much better defender and is a better shooter when it counts.
          4 - Yes, JJ would probably be our best perimeter shooter, barring a trade.
          5 - 70-30 that he is gone.

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          • #6
            Re: Five questions

            While some new blood is always good, new players at the 1,2 and 5, along with Granger is way too much turnover. Keep the post players we have, hope for Harrison to develop. If we can upgrade our backup PG, do it, but I wouldn't cry over another season with AJ. He carried the load for a few months last year and did okay. With these new rules allowing luxury tax exemption, Cro is history.

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            • #7
              Re: Five questions
              • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
              Am I satisfied? Yes. We should to still look to improve, though, whether from within (Hulk) or trades (Magloire).
              • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
              No, unless Granger is a deadeye, then maybe.
              • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
              No. Johnson whould be a great back-up for most PG's in this league, but not Tinsley. Maybe the problem is with Tinsley?

              I don't want AJ moved, I really don't. Even if he doesn't play much, we need him in case Mel has a case of the tootsies.
              • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
              Yes. We need to be three-deep at SF.

              Loyalty? I want James because he is a great guy, and I think he will again be our primary back-up soon enough.
              • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
              Austin is staying.
              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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              • #8
                Re: Five questions

                Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                Yes I am satisfied but I can't say we shouldn't look to upgrade. It is going to be very difficult going up against Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace I think and we should look to have the best quality guy we can get for a reasonable price of course.

                Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                No.

                Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                Yes. Now does that mean we shouldn't look to get more quality here, no. I say sign Sarunas atleast. Possiably trade Jamaal for a less injury prone guard.

                Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                Yes I defentily think it is necessary to re-sign James Jones if we keep Ron Artest.

                Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                90%.

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                • #9
                  Re: Five questions

                  Originally posted by Kraft
                  • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                  • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                  • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                  • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                  • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                  1) No..but I can live with it. A big would make life sooo much easier tho. Harrison better show up or else.
                  2) No..????
                  3) Yes...and I can live with JT, unless a we inherit a gold mine somehow.
                  4) No....but loyalty and need for a clutch shooter tell me we aren't ready to give him up yet.
                  5) 75% chance he's gone. Money talks and it is a ONE TIME ONLY offer.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Five questions

                    I don't know why a few people rip on AJ. I thought he had some awesome games last year when Tins was injured. Every backup PG cannot be Steve Nash. Bird said that JJ was a great team player and was not worried about minutes but was always ready when needed, where you going to find that in a 3rd string backup at the 2-3. Our team was not together last year at all, give me a full healthy team with Granger and Artest and I will give you 60 wins and a shot at a title. Neither time against Detroit in the playoffs were we healthy so why all the changes. We only need to trade for Magloire without giving up too much if he's available.
                    "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
                    Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Five questions

                      Originally posted by Kraft
                      • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                      • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                      • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                      • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                      • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                      1)foster, dale, harrison, and pollard are none great...harrison could be key.....to me hes the biggest variable on the club....if he gets better, this team gets way better....an interesting addition to this group would be brian grant...

                      2)it aint great....adding saras would probably help in a number of ways....especially where perimeter shooting is concerned....hes also every bit as good of a free throw shooter as reggie....

                      3)no...aj is not the answer...especially if ur in the camp that tinsley is injury prone....which im not....but i still feel we need an upgrade at the slot...probably even more important is a bit different style player at that slot....and saras would be both....i have a feeling saras is in that slot in the not too distant future....say like by august 1....and aj is shipped off in a trade of some kind...there are a number of teams that would love to have aj...and in truth, he would be a better fit...he was great for us this year...but we can do better, and so can he...

                      4)yes he needs to be resigned...and loyalty has very little to do with it...hes the best perimeter shooter we have....hes very versatile...hes proving to be quite a bit better defender than most thought...bottom line is, we cant let our best shooter leave when thats a weak spot for this team...as long as his contract is reasonable (no more than 3 mill), i think we have to resign him

                      5)i would love to see him dropped....that being said...i kinda have my doubts....his contract is a major problem in doing that....and bird has always loved him....you asked about loyalty with regard to jj...well i think loyalty will play a big part in this situation...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Five questions

                        Originally posted by Kraft
                        • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                        • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                        • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                        • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                        • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                        --Yes and no.
                        --When the shots are able to go in I'm very satisfied.
                        --Hell yes.
                        --Yes. He's worth more than minimum wage. (I'm assuming mean the American minimum wage of $5.15/hr.
                        ---0%. I'll believe he's gone when I see it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Five questions

                          Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                          Yes
                          Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                          Yes
                          Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                          Yes
                          Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                          Yes...not a whole lot; I just love the kid.
                          Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                          6.711%

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                          • #14
                            Re: Five questions

                            Originally posted by Kraft
                            • Are you satisfied with Jeff Foster or Dale Davis as this team's starting center?
                            • Barring the addition of a shooter that'll play significantly in the rotation, are you happy with the perimeter shooting abilities of this team?
                            • Is Anthony Johnson the appropriate backup for Jamaal Tinsley?
                            • Do you feel it is really necessary to re-sign James Jones for more than a minimum wage deal now that Danny Granger is here? If yes, how much is loyalty playing into your answer?
                            • Percentage chance Austin Croshere gets dropped like a bad habit?
                            1. No & yes
                            2. No
                            3. Yes
                            4. No, I like JJ but if the nutball is going to play 40 min. a game then every single min. he's off of the floor then Granger needs to be on it. Why pay a backup who will play less than 10 min. a game & even if Nutball goes nuts again we can always backup Granger with Jax.
                            5. 40%


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              Re: Five questions

                              See... I think Rick is already pumped up at the opportunity to cut nutball's minutes back to say 32-35 mpg. I think the Pacers will attempt to re-sign JJ just in case the get a deal they don't want to refuse for Artest.

                              I'll take my chances on the 2006-07 championship with a SF tandem of Granger and JJ.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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