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  • Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

    Such as.

    Pacers trding Al, 29th pick to the Cavs for the 10th pick and Wagner and Ollie.

    Also, the Magic are stuck because T-mac only wants to play for the Rockets.

    Someone will get the link I am sure

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    Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

    I usually go (as I've now mentioned in a reply on the READ THIS FIRST post) to phxsuns.net to get it, but they haven't posted it yet.

    That's an interesting trade. No idea why we need Ollie though. Unless AJ's gone.

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      Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)


      That's an interesting trade. No idea why we need Ollie though. Unless AJ's gone.
      We are down to one point guard with Brewer expected to be picked in the expansion draft. This way if AJ resigns he will still only be the third point. Not like last year when we had 4.

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        Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

        Sorry guys, did not intend to get your hopes up, thought someone would have posted it by now. I have not figured out how to cut/copy and paste those insider columns yet, not that I have spent any time trying.

        Ford also says the Rockets Magic deal is not done as the Magic are still recieving offers from other teams. But Pacers have not heard back from the Magic in the past 48 hours

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          Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

          Ford: The NBA's Perfect Storm

          Has there ever been a weekend where three of the league's top five stars all
          began packing their bags at the same time? Shaquille O'Neal wants a trade. So
          does Tracy McGrady. Kobe Bryant is opting out. If that isn't enough to make you
          renew your Insider subscription, we're not sure what is.

          Insider was on the phone with numerous league sources over the weekend. Here's
          the scuttle on where Shaq, T-Mac and Kobe might land in the next month.

          Shaq to Big D?

          Shaquille O'Neal's demand to be traded has less to do with Kobe than it does
          with his desire to tack an extra two years, $60 million onto his current
          contract, which has two years left. Sources told Insider that owner Jerry Buss
          doesn't even want to discuss such a large extension. That decision, not the end
          of the Phil Jackson tenure, prompted Shaq to demand a trade. Shaq knows his
          window to cash in one last time is closing. He's 32 now and will be 34 when his
          contract is up. Does anyone believe Shaq can get that type of extension two
          years from now? It's now or never, which is why Shaq wants to be traded to a
          team willing to cut the check.

          Sources claim the Lakers don't really want to trade Shaq but are willing to move
          him if they can get a young superstar plus cap relief for next summer in return.

          Four teams look like they could be possible trading partners for the Lakers.

          Option 1: The Pacers aren't parting with Jermaine O'Neal. A combo of Al
          Harrington and Ron Artest might make the Lakers notice, but having to swallow
          the contracts of Scot Pollard and Austin Croshere as part of the deal make it
          less desirable. But would Donnie Walsh & Co. really be willing to break up the
          team for Shaq? And would the owners be willing to commit the extra $60 million
          to keep the big fella happy?

          Option 2: The Grizzlies could combine Pau Gasol, Bonzi Wells, Bo Outlaw and
          Lorenzen Wright to create a package that would work a bit better for the Lakers.
          Wells and Outlaw come off the books next season, freeing up significant cap
          room. But this is a potential straight-up Gasol-for-Shaq deal. Is that enough
          value to get back for Shaq? The Grizzlies probably would be willing to do the
          extension. Jerry West has been searching for a dominant big man since he got to
          Memphis, and we all know that he has a great relationship with Shaq.

          Option 3: The Blazers also could put together a package of Theo Ratliff, Damon
          Stoudamire, Zach Randolph and the No. 13 pick in the draft for Shaq. Stoudamire
          comes off the books next year, Randolph was the Most Improved Player of the Year
          at the four, and Ratliff is still one of the best shot-blockers in the league.
          Paul Allen wouldn't hesitate to spend the cash for Shaq. But if the Blazers give
          up this much for Shaq, will they have enough players around him to win a title?

          Option 4: That leaves us with the Mavericks. Reports out of Dallas claim owner
          Mark Cuban would give up anyone on his roster, with the exception of Dirk
          Nowitzki, for Shaq. However, a source in Dallas told Insider over the weekend
          that the Mavericks absolutely would be willing to give up Nowitzki and Antoine
          Walker for O'Neal. The Mavs aren't going to win a championship without a real
          presence in the middle. No one else they have can command a decent big man back
          in a trade. This is Cuban's best chance to win a championship. Nowitzki is a
          high price to pay, but it's worth it. The Mavs would field a team that still had
          Steve Nash (they'd re-sign him for sure, to play with Shaq), Michael Finley,
          Josh Howard and Antawn Jamison. Put Shaq in the middle, and it's the best team
          in the NBA -- more formidable, in my mind, than the team the Lakers fielded this
          year. Even if Shaq only plays well for two more seasons, a real shot at a
          championship is worth the risk.

          Would the Lakers bite on any of those options? The trade with Dallas makes the
          most sense by far. The Lakers add a young versatile All-Star forward to work
          with Kobe. They clear Walker's $14.5 million salary off the books next summer.
          Given that Gary Payton, Rick Fox and Derek Fisher also will be gone in a year,
          the Lakers would be looking at $10 million-plus to use in the 2005 free agent
          market. The Lakers have had zero trouble recruiting free agents in the past.
          With a core of Kobe and Nowitzki, the Lakers can salvage their team and their
          image. All of the other options leave the Lakers struggling for credibility.
          It's a deal made in Mark Cuban heaven. Don't be shocked if Cuban and Buss pull
          the trigger.

          Kobe back to L.A.?

          Kobe has opted out of his deal and likely will take his time deciding where he
          wants to play next year. Sources close to Bryant told Insider over the weekend
          that his first choice still is to remain a Laker. The same sources contend
          Bryant had little to do with the Lakers' break-up. Buss was balking at the huge
          amounts of money Jackson ($10 million per season) and Shaq (two-year,
          $60-million extension) were demanding. That precipitated, more than anything
          else, the decision to let Jackson walk and to consider trading Shaq.

          What does that have to do with Kobe? He wants to explore his options, but he's
          inclined to re-sign with the Lakers as long as he's sure the team still has the
          necessary pieces to win. He's loyal to L.A., but not if that means being part of
          a long rebuilding process. If Shaq comes back, the Lakers will be contenders
          again, regardless of the supporting cast around him. If Shaq is traded, it's
          much less clear. A deal with a team like Dallas would keep the Lakers relevant.
          Other trades, like ones the Pacers or Grizzlies might offer, probably mean the
          Lakers would take a step back for a few years.

          With at least one championship contender, the Spurs, clearing enough cap room to
          make a run Kobe, the Lakers will have serious competition for his services.

          T-Mac to the Clippers?

          Shaq leaving. Kobe staying. What, you ask, does T-Mac have to do with all of
          this? He reportedly has told friends his ultimate desire is to play with Shaq.
          That's not going to happen in L.A. T-Mac has looked to Dallas as a possible
          destination. Unless the Magic are willing to swallow an equally bad contract in
          return -- and they're not -- it just doesn't make sense. They'd want Nowitzki
          for T-Mac the same way the Lakers would for Shaq. It's one or the other.
          McGrady may be controlling the process -- no team will trade for him without a
          guarantee he'll sign an extension -- but the Magic are partners too. They don't
          have to trade McGrady right now. T-Mac wants out and knows he has to work with
          the Magic to make it happen. Where will he land?

          Option 1: The Rockets are rumored to be in the lead, offering a combo of Steve
          Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato for McGrady and Juwan Howard. That
          sounds like a fantasy trade that every other owner would veto. We know John
          Weisbrod is a hockey guy, but even he should know this is a terrible deal for
          the Magic. If the Rockets pull this off, pencil them into the Western Conference
          Finals.

          Option 2: The Pacers want to get something done but aren't giving up Ron Artest,
          Al Harrington, Jonathan Bender and Jamaal Tinsley for T-Mac. It's just too much.
          The deal would be Harrington and either Artest or Bender. That's as far as
          they're willing to go. The team doesn't really want to trade either Artest or
          Bender, and they certainly won't ship away both players -- even for T-Mac. Add
          Harrington and Bender to a front court with Emeka Okafor, and the Magic could be
          set for a long time. They'd have to seriously consider it.

          Option 3: The Suns are willing to give up Shawn Marion, Casey Jacobsen and
          either the No. 7 or Joe Johnson for T-Mac. Marion is an all-star caliber small
          forward. With the No. 7 pick, the team could land a top-notch point guard like
          Devin Harris, Ben Gordon or Shaun Livingston. Jacobsen is serviceable at the
          two. Put that together with the No. 1 pick -- an Okafor/Gordon reunion, perhaps?
          -- and the Magic would be back in the playoffs almost immediately.

          Option 4: The Clippers may have the best package to offer, but would T-Mac play
          there? One source close to McGrady told Insider he'd "consider it." Why? Because
          the huge media market would make his endorsement opportunities much more
          lucrative. The Clippers also would have a pretty strong starting group with
          Elton Brand, McGrady, Chris Kaman, a re-signed Quentin Richardson and Marko
          Jaric. The team would be willing to give up Corey Maggette, Chris Wilcox and the
          No. 2 to get McGrady. That's a slam dunk for the Magic, who could draft Okafor
          and either Dwight Howard or Shaun Livingston to make one of the best young teams
          in the NBA. If McGrady believes the Clippers will keep spending, it would be an
          opportunity he'd have to consider. It may be the only way the Clippers are
          willing to do the trade.

          Which way will the Magic go? The Suns, Clippers and Pacers all look like they
          could make offers that might make Weisbrod pull the trigger. Some of it will
          come down to T-Mac's preference. He wants to play in Houston, but the Rockets'
          offer isn't close to those of the other three teams. At the end of the day, I
          see either the Suns or Clippers landing him.

          Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

            Jay, that is not the article that is currently on ESPN Insider, at least it is not the latest article by Chad Ford

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            • #7
              Re: Insider for 6/22 several Pacers mentions (article not posted)

              Rookie mistake. Sorry for the confusion. - Jay

              By Chad Ford
              ESPN Insider

              Let's get this straight.

              This week we've learned that All-Star swingman Tracy McGrady might be swapped
              for All-Star point guard Steve Francis. All-Star center Shaquille O'Neal might
              be shipped to Dallas for All-Star power forward Dirk Nowitzki and former
              All-Star power forward Antoine Walker. All-Star shooting guard Kobe Bryant is
              becoming a free agent and is a hot commodity, even though there's a chance next
              long-term deal could be in prison.

              The NBA expansion draft is Tuesday night, and a flurry of trades are expected to
              come shortly thereafter. We've already seen a trade of two of the top four picks
              in the NBA draft with talk of more on the way.

              We're just waiting for Tim Duncan to fax in his retirement papers.

              The NBA silly season is in full swing. Can anyone remember a time when more
              elements have been in motion at the same time? Here's the latest on what's
              shaping up as the NBA's perfect storm.

              T-Mac for Francis?

              Monday, the Houston Chronicle and ESPN's Jim Gray were reporting a deal that
              would send Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue to the Rockets for Steve
              Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato was "close."

              Several things could keep this particular deal from happening before July 15.
              First, Francis is a base-year compensation player and is difficult to move until
              his base-year status expires June 30. Normally he'd be eligible to be traded the
              next day, July 1, but the NBA prohibits trades between July 1 and July 15, the
              time window in which teams can woo, but not sign, free agents. However, with
              some minor tweaking of the deal, Francis could be moved within the rules of the
              collective bargaining agreement as it pertains to base-year compensation.

              Second, sources say the deal Orlando and Houston are discussing also includes
              Reece Gaines, who is among the players the Magic left exposed in the expansion
              draft and thus would be holding up the deal. Gaines can't be traded until after
              the expansion draft (assuming he isn't selected by the Bobcats). Reports that
              Howard was left unprotected (and thus was holding up the deal) are inaccurate,
              according to league sources. The Magic did not expose Howard to the expansion
              draft.

              Several league sources with knowledge of the negotiations, including two GMs who
              are trying to pry McGrady away from Orlando, told Insider on Monday evening that
              a deal with the Rockets is not "a done deal." One league source with knowledge
              of the negotiations told Insider on Tuesday morning that Orlando still is
              soliciting and receiving offers from other teams. According to the source, the
              Magic still were talking with the Rockets about the deal reported Monday but had
              not yet made a final decision.

              The Suns, Clippers and Pacers also have made bids to acquire McGrady. All of
              them, on the surface at least, appear to be able to offer much better deals for
              the Magic than the one in play with the Rockets. However, two of those teams
              told Insider on Monday night they hadn't had any contact with the Magic in the
              previous 48 hours.

              "I'm not sure what's going on," one GM told Insider. "We made an offer, they
              seemed interested, but they never called back. It was a better offer than the
              Rockets' one. However, we're not going to negotiate against ourselves."

              Complicating matters is Francis' reluctance to play in Orlando. Francis' agent,
              Jeff Fried, told the Houston Chronicle on Monday evening his client didn't want
              to play for the Magic. "Steve's preference is to not go to Orlando," Fried told
              the Chronicle. "Steve's tasted the playoffs. (The Rockets) got a series under
              their belts. He was looking forward to going further with the same Rockets team
              but with another year of experience together. This is certainly not his
              preference. He loves Houston. Steve loved the fans and his teammates. He's very
              friendly with Cuttino but also pretty friendly with Yao (Ming). Many of us
              thought there were the beginnings of something big there with a great center and
              great point guard."

              However, that may not be as big a stumbling block as it appears. One league
              source told Insider that if the Magic do end up pulling the trigger on the
              Rockets trade, it will be just the first in a series of moves that could see
              Francis or other pieces the Magic get back from Houston being moved to other
              teams. In other words, everyone may have to wait and reserve judgement on this
              deal until the Magic finish the rest of their rebuilding.

              That should bring a huge sigh of relief from Magic fans. On paper, the
              McGrady-for-Francis swap has the potential to be a disaster for the Magic. One
              GM went so far as to claim the Magic "could get even worse" if they made this
              trade. Francis has as much baggage as McGrady, and possibly more. He's coming
              off an awful year where new head coach Jeff Van Gundy asked him to play more
              like a point guard and less like a guy determined to jack up 20-plus shots a
              night. While McGrady is widely considered a top-five player in the NBA, Francis'
              reputation around the league has greatly diminished. Folks in Houston feel the
              backcourt of Francis and Mobley can't win because of its lack of size and
              playmaking instincts. Would the duo fare any in better in Orlando?

              So why haven't the Magic searched harder for a better deal? According to
              sources, T-Mac is insisting he'll only sign a contract extension with the
              Rockets. Because McGrady can opt out of his contract after next season, the
              teams willing to trade for McGrady want a guarantee he'll sign an extension if
              they acquire him. Should the Magic really buy into T-Mac's bluff? Teams like the
              Pacers, Suns and even the Clippers would have just as good a chance to win with
              T-Mac.

              Other offers that the Magic may be mulling include:

              Pacers: They've reportedly offered Al Harrington, and either Jonathan Bender or
              Ron Artest for T-Mac. Adding so many bigs makes much more sense for Orlando than
              piecing together a smallish backcourt.

              Suns: They're offering Shawn Marion, Casey Jacobsen and either the No. 7 pick or
              Joe Johnson. Again, the extra size and youth make more sense for the Magic.

              Clippers: They're reportedly willing to give up Corey Maggette, the No. 4 pick
              and possibly Chris Wilcox for McGrady. This is the best deal if McGrady will
              agree to play in L.A.

              Shaq to Big D?

              One day after Insider reported the Mavericks would be the front-runners to land
              Shaquille O'Neal in a trade, Mavs owner Mark Cuban told reporters he'd jump at
              the chance to land Shaq.

              "I would do it," he said, "and you can quote me on that."

              "We're in a better position to go after senior [veteran] players than we are to
              go after young guys, just because of the salaries we have," Cuban said. "Have we
              talked to them? The answer is no. Will we? Most likely."

              Any trade for Shaq likely would include the Mavs sending Dirk Nowitzki away as
              part of the compensation. That would be tough, but not impossible, for Cuban and
              the Mavs to swallow.

              "I'd be hard-pressed to see us trading Dirk," Cuban said. "Dirk is as close to
              untouchable as you can get. Never say never, because there's always something
              that can change it."

              Close, however, doesn't mean untouchable.

              The rumors, courtesy of the N.Y. Post, that the Clippers also are making a run
              at Shaq, offering Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and Melvin Ely in return for the
              Big Fella, seem a lot more far-fetched. While the Lakers probably would jump at
              the deal, the Clippers would be left with Shaq, Chris Kaman, Quentin Richardson
              and Chris Wilcox. That wouldn't be pretty.

              Draft rumors

              Who are the Clippers going to select with the No. 4 pick? The answer depends who
              you ask. Several sources claim they covet Shaun Livingston. However, several
              other sources claim it could be UConn's Ben Gordon. Gordon had a phenomenal
              workout in Los Angeles on Sunday, then mysteriously pulled out of his scheduled
              workout with the Suns on Monday, fueling rumors that the Clippers gave Gordon a
              promise at No. 4. And don't count out Devin Harris, who also had a solid workout
              for the Clips and has the maturity and point guard skills that head coach Mike
              Dunleavy is looking for.

              The Cavs are among the many teams in the lottery trying to move down. The Pacers
              still are trying to move up. The Cavs are dangling the 10th pick in the draft in
              an effort to land Al Harrington. The Pacers have been interested in Luke Jackson
              for months and could grab him at No. 10. The Cavs, who prefer veterans, would
              grab another great piece of their puzzle in Harrington. What's holding up that
              deal? The Pacers are still holding out hope

              Expansion Draft Rumors

              Tuesday night's expansion draft should add anywhere from three to six pieces to
              the Bobcats' puzzle. For the most part, the work is already done. Charlotte must
              submit its list to the league no later than noon ET Tuesday. Several league
              sources told Insider on Monday that the Bobcats already have agreed to two
              trades and may make two or three more before the night is done.
              What's going on?

              The Bobcats are hoping Emeka Okafor falls to them at No. 2. There's talk
              Charlotte and Orlando might work out a deal in which the Magic agree not to take
              Okafor at No. 1, leaving him to the Bobcats, in exchange for an as-yet
              undisclosed favor from Charlotte.

              Look for the Bobcats to select Jahidi White in return for a future Suns
              first-rounder and $3 million in cash. The move clears an extra $6.1 million in
              cap room for the Suns. The Bobcats likely will either waive or trade White.
              The Knicks, Spurs and Bobcats were discussing a deal late Monday that would have
              the Bobcats selecting Malik Rose off the unprotected list. Here's how it would
              work if the three teams make a deal: The Spurs, who are trying to clear cap
              space to make some noise in the free-agent market, would send the Bobcats $3
              million and their first-round pick (No. 28) in return for Charlotte selecting
              Rose. The Bobcats then would ship Rose to the Knicks for Dikembe Mutombo, who is
              in the last year of his contract, and the Knicks' second-round pick. Mutombo
              would end up costing the Bobcats a little more than $1 million once you factor
              in the Spurs' cash payment.

              There's also talk the Bobcats will select the Jazz's Alexsander Pavlovic with an
              eye toward moving him to another team. The Bobcats are looking for a future
              first-rounder and cash to facilitate the deal.

              The Bobcats are also actively looking to acquire another late-lottery to
              mid-first-round pick. Their target is point Jameer Nelson, another seasoned
              college veteran whom Bernie Bickerstaff loves.

              Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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