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12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

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  • 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

    RING PHILLY'S BELL



    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: S. Foster, D. Collins, K. Fitzgerald

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Philadelphia Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / WPEN 97.5 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    11-11
    Home: 6-3
    East: 5-5
    12-10
    Away: 4-4
    East: 8-8
    Dec 15
    Dec 18
    Dec 19
    Dec 21
    7:00pm
    8:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:00pm
    HIBBERT
    WEST
    GEORGE
    GREEN
    HILL
    ALLEN
    T YOUNG
    TURNER
    RICHARDSON
    N YOUNG


    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
    Lance Stephenson - right ankle sprain (out)



    SIXERS
    Andrew Bynum - bilateral knee bone bruises (out)
    Jrue Holiday - left foot sprain (questionable)
    Royal Ivey - strep throat (out)
    Damien Wilkins - right calf strain (questionable)

    Who would you choose to be your point guard?


    PLAYER
    (Yrs Active)
    TOTAL ASSISTS
    (career)
    ASSIST PERCENTAGE
    (career)
    TOTAL ASSISTS
    (12-13)
    ASSISTS PG/PER 36
    (12-13)
    A (2007-2013)
    359
    7.3%
    22
    1.9
    B (2010-2013)
    300
    12.9%
    77
    3.6




    Player A might be the starting PG for the Sixers tonight, per Doug Collins.
    Player B should be practicing dribbling instead of eating or sleeping, per PD.




    Tim Donahue: Which Wing Gets the Nod Down the Stretch?

    This week, the Pacers have edged out a win in Chicago and out-classed Portland at home
    to bring their record on the season above .500 for the first time since November 3. Given
    how depressing this team looked over its first 10 games of the year, that is actually a big
    step forward. But for a franchise that entered the season expecting to have home-court
    advantage in the first round of the playoffs, this season has still been a disappointment.

    One of the many things lost to this Pacer team in Danny Granger’s absence this season
    has been a sense stability down the stretch in games. Pacer coach Frank Vogel and Pacer
    fans knew that – with rare exception – the wing combo of Danny and Paul George would
    be on the floor come the final few minutes of the fourth quarter.

    This season, Vogel seems to have been experimenting with a running mate for George
    late in games, choosing from a trio of Lance Stephenson, Sam Young, and Gerald Green.
    Prior to Friday night’s game against Denver, Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star asked
    Frank how he made the choice.

    “It’s typically, I’m goin’ with Lance, but if either Sam or Gerald are going good, I’ll
    consider those guys,” said Vogel. “If there are match-up situations that are tough for
    Lance, we’ll consider one of those other guys, as well.”

    But what exactly is “going good?”

    What makes Vogel go with Gerald Green or Sam Young over Lance Stephenson
    “Sam has a knack for impacting the game in a variety of ways,” said Vogel. “Offensively,
    with cuts and offensive rebounds and making the open three every now and then. Just
    being a ball mover. But he has the ability to really change a game defensively and to
    have special performances on the defensive end.”

    He continued. “Gerald has the ability...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


    Brian Ward: Where's the Respect?

    Typically, in this league made for TV, production equals respect. I'm not talking about
    respect from the national media, or respect from the fans, I'm talking about respect
    from the refs. When you're an unknown rookie, you don't get the borderline whistles.
    When you're mostly a jump shooter who rarely ventures into the lane, you don't get
    the borderline whistles. When you're a finesse player who shies away from contact,
    you don't get the borderline whistles. Jrue is none of those things anymore, and it's
    about time he started getting the benefit of the doubt.

    Here's some perspective on the team as a whole, first. The Sixers have been
    outscored by 43 points so far this season. From the line, they've been outscored by
    48. In the past two games, they've been outscored by 35 from the line. Two home
    games, they've attempted 25 fewer free throws than the star-less Pistons and Bulls.
    That's shameful.

    Part of the problem is the horrendous Sixer bigs. They're pretty much all either too
    slow, too weak, too dumb or some combination of the three to protect the paint.
    Spencer Hawes is helpless as a weak-side defender unless the play is telegraphed
    and he has three or four seconds to get himself into position. Even then, it's 50/50
    whether he'll get whistled for the foul he commits. Poor interior defense is part of
    the problem, but it's not the part that's most frustrating.

    The NBA, at its worst, is barely better than professional wrestling. When a superstar
    is in a game, the deck is stacked absurdly in their favor. If you look at LeBron the
    wrong way, he's going to the line. If OKC ever goes into a scoring drought, all they
    need to do is give the ball to Kevin Durant anywhere in the vicinity of the basket
    and he's more likely to get a trip to the line than not. Paul Pierce's plaintive wails
    lead to a handful of whistles every game when no one comes close to making
    contact with him. It's sad to watch. It's something teams without superstars have
    to overcome. Whether it's a mandate from the league to protect the game's stars,
    human nature because those players are head and shoulders above everyone
    else or a downright act of cowardice and playing favorites by the refs, it's
    institutional and has been basically since Michael Jordan started scowling at the
    refs, if not longer.

    When you're on the outside looking in (like the Sixers have been since Iverson's
    prime), it can be maddening...CONTINUE READING AT DEPRESSED FAN


    Tom Sunnergren: The Evan Turner Backlash, Backlash

    There aren’t a whole lot of areas, in sport or otherwise, where the opinion of the
    casual observer and the studied wisdom of the experts dovetail, so it’s worth noting
    that entering this season the two occasionally warring factions were in almost
    perfect agreement on this point: Evan Turner’s awfulness.

    The reasoning went like this: he hurt his team directly by being a poor shooter and
    missing shots, then indirectly because the opposing player tasked with covering him
    could, secure in the knowledge that if ET hazarded an FGA he’d likely miss it, drift
    off him and into the lane; shrinking the floor and undermining scoring opportunities
    for his teammates.

    The things Turner did well — like being the best defensive rebounding guard of all-
    time last season, for starters — were either glossed over by these critics, or
    explained away as insufficient to offset the harm he did to the Sixers’ offense.
    There were numbers involved in some of these arguments.

    Sometime in early November though, the sentiment swung; slowly at first, then
    more abruptly.

    Something like a pro-Turner consensus began to emerge.

    Corner 3s started dropping and glowing pieces cropped up in well-regarded
    publications. Twitter became a ‘twitter with authentic affection for the Buckeye’s
    idiosyncrasies; the herky-jerk handle, the occasional offensive eruptions, the
    bizarre stat lines, that voice. He’s been, along with Holiday and Thad Young,
    recognized as a key component of the Sixers “promising” triune core.

    The snark stopped. He’s become, if not loved, liked.

    I’ve been glad to see it, despite the fact that it doesn’t really make any sense.

    Here’s a thought exercise. Take a gander at the per 48-minute averages of these
    three players.



    Though most of us, assuming they played the same position, would prefer player
    one to the other two, anyone with a solid read on what these numbers mean would
    agree that 1.) the difference between the three is marginal and 2.) we’re dealing
    with sound, well-rounded players here.

    These three players are, in ascending order, Evan Turner in ’10-11, ’11-12, and
    ’12-13...CONTINUE READING AT THE PHILADUNKIA




    Pacers
    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows


    Sixers
    John Mitchell @JMitchInquirer
    Brian Ward @depressedfan
    Liberty Ballers @Philly76ersBlog
    Philadunkia @philadunkia
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

    C'mon Green, please have a really strong game.
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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    • #3
      Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

      I want to see Gerald Green post ups in this game. If we are to use him, let's use him to his strengths.

      If Jrue doesn't play then our chances are good. A win in Philly would be big, atm.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #4
        Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

        Any news on Lance? If he's out I wonder if we'll see O.J. get some PT...

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        • #5
          Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

          Ready for this game..this would a big win..

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          • #6
            Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

            Just heard Turner speak, he sounded weird. I don't know if it was some kind of technical glitch, or if that is how he actually sounds.

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            • #7
              Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

              Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
              Any news on Lance? If he's out I wonder if we'll see O.J. get some PT...
              I haven't heard anything, so hopefully it's just a game...two games max.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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              • #8
                Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                Just heard Turner speak, he sounded weird. I don't know if it was some kind of technical glitch, or if that is how he actually sounds.
                He had issues with his vocal cords as a child or something like that.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #9
                  Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                  According to some Sixers forums Jrue will be out for the game against us and probably the Lakers as well.
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                    No Jrue Holiday....hopefully thats a positive for us.
                    Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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                    • #11
                      Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      He had issues with his vocal cords as a child or something like that.
                      That sucks a lot.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                        If Kwame is starting at C. Anyone think that Roy will have his best offensive game tonight?
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                          Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                          If Kwame is starting at C. Anyone think that Roy will have his best offensive game tonight?
                          He does have a beef with Kwame. Let's hope that he has a monster game then
                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                            Nice, Hill
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 12/14/2012 Game Thread #23: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                              If Kwame is starting at C. Anyone think that Roy will have his best offensive game tonight?
                              No

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