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11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

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  • 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

    TIME FOR A
    ROYAL BEATDOWN



    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials:*B. Kennedy, C. Kirkland, E. Roe

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Sacramento Notes
    Television: FSIN
    Local Radio: WIBC 93.1 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    1-1
    Home: 0-0
    West: 0-0
    0-2
    Away: 0-1
    East: 0-1
    Nov 05
    Nov 07
    Nov 09
    Nov 10
    8:30pm
    7:30pm
    8:00pm
    7:00pm

    HIBBERT
    WEST
    GEORGE
    GREEN
    HILL
    COUSINS
    THOMPSON
    JOHNSON
    EVANS
    THOMAS


    PACERS
    Danny Granger - sore left knee (out indefinitely)
    George Hill - hip pointer (day-to-day)



    RAPTORS
    None



    Jared Wade: David West Being Agressive and Paul George Trying to Be...

    The Pacers were able to come back and win last night for only one reason: David West
    took a ton of shots in the second half and made almost all of them. To be precise, West
    put up 14 shots in the second half (9 in the fourth quarter). For perspective, Kobe Bryant
    — by far — led the league in field goal attempts per game last season with 23.0 a night.
    (Kevin Durant was a distant second with 19.7 per.)

    Extrapolated over a full game, if West were to shoot as often as he did in the second
    half last night and take 28 shots per game, he would be shooting a full five times per
    night more than Kobe does. That’s a lot. Bryant has never averaged that many per
    night, even when he was scoring 35.4 points per game. Michael Jordan, even when he
    was averaging 37.1 points per game, never averaged 28 shot attempts per night.
    Neither Allen Iverson nor Tracy McGrady, who combined to win all five scoring titles
    between the 1999-2000 and 2004-05 seasons, ever averaged 28 FGAs per night.
    You get the point. It’s a lot of shots to be taking in a half, especially in the fourth.

    David West, 4th Quarter Shooting vs Toronto

    As you can see, one of his two misses in the fourth even came on a three with the
    shot clock dwindling. We went over in more detail how he got all these good shots
    last night (Andrea Bargnani was overmatched, Raptors made some strange team
    defensive decisions, Paul George and West had some uncanny chemistry). But the
    takeaway is that Indiana, despite not playing particularly well for much of the game
    on offense, was able to get good looks when it matter.

    Mostly, because West put the team on his back.

    Early on, however, there were other guys who found ways to score well. Roy Hibbert
    was able to find position early (not so much in the second half when Toronto played
    him less straight up, however) and convert some nice moves. And Paul George came
    out the gates gunning, apparently ready to burden the load left vacant by Danny
    Granger. While he was very effective early (see his first-half shooting chart) and
    showed some growth by, for example, knowing when to quick-shoot over a flat-
    footed, shorter defender when he found himself with the ball on the wing, there was
    still a lack of...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


    Ailene Voisin: Smart is Ready to Put Stamp on Kings

    Keith Smart finally feels like a head coach. Not an interim head coach auditioning
    for one of the NBA's 30 jobs, or worse, a lame-duck head coach waiting for the
    new owners to cut him loose.

    For the first time in his career, Smart arrives at training camp as the man in
    charge, bolstered by a one-year contract extension and empowered to transform
    his team into his image – or someone else's image.

    These are his Kings. Their identity is his to choose.

    Will the model be the Lakers of the 1980s? Celtics of the 1980s? Jazz of the
    1990s? Spurs of the past decade? Nellie's Golden State Warriors of the Run TMC
    years?

    "I watched a lot of tape this summer, and when I looked at our team, first of all,
    I saw that there was too much dribbling," Smart said in something of an
    understatement. "The floor started to shrink. I can't change the fact that we have
    creative one-on-one players, but I believe I can train them to play differently.
    You move, you cut, you shoot, and you're going to have success. But there has*
    to be a system. I think I got into too much pick-and-roll action last year with our
    guys forcing jumpers or catch and dribble."

    Smart spent much of the offseason hunkered down either at the Kings' practice
    facility or on the living room couch at his family's home in Danville. He half-
    jokingly says he wore out his laptop and the big-screen TV in both places.
    Perusing the Internet, he found footage of games dating back more than 60
    years, and with little hesitation, pulled out a credit card.

    When large boxes of old DVDs and videotapes started arriving at the house, his
    puzzled wife, Carol, shot him a look.

    "What are you doing with that stuff?" she asked.

    "You won't believe what I found," he replied.

    Recalling the scene Monday, Smart laughed and shook his head.

    "She thought I was crazy. But I studied college games, college coaches, NBA
    coaches, went and talked to everybody," Smart said. "I looked at systems from
    way back to 1949, and one thing that struck me was that we (NBA teams) all
    want to run. But when guys get jammed up, there is no spacing. Draw and kick
    and then the guy can't make a shot. This goes back to what they teach kids in
    AAU. I have two boys. I know what they're learning. But we have to be more
    creative."

    Smart refuses to reveal details from his summerlong brainstorming sessions
    and barnstorming travels...CONTINUE READING AT SACBEE.COM




    Pacers
    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows


    Kings
    Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
    Tom Ziller @teamziller
    Jonathan Santiago @itsjonsantiago
    James Ham @james_ham
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

    After a very bad loss yesterday I really hope that the team makes up for it with a good performance and a win tonight.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #3
      Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

      I think Green bounces back tonight. Hopefully we stick him on Johnson and not Evans.

      How come Thornton not starting?

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      • #4
        Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

        I can't think of an example where I've been happier to have a back to back as I am tonight.

        Let's make the Kings our proverbial mouth-wash after eating that raw onion last night...

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        • #5
          Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

          oh come on. kings broadcast on league pass. you gotta be kidding me.

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          • #6
            Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

            What the hell?The feed on league pass is from the Kings announcers.I want my Chris Denari/Quinn Buckner fix.
            Last edited by Johanvil; 11-03-2012, 06:53 PM.
            Never forget

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            • #7
              Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

              I love how the Kings commentator just said David West will need to score at least 20 for us to have a chance to win this game...ok, dude. We had the 5th best record in the league last year and David didn't even average 20...

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              • #8
                I don't know if this helps you guys. On DirecTV I am able to turn on FSIndiana directly to see the Pacers broadcast with my league pass subscription. It automatically deactivates the channel when no game is on. Channel 673.

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                • #9
                  Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                  Damn it, I HATE having to listen to the opposing announcers for home games! Grrrrrrr.

                  I don't do TV - that's why I have LP Broadband.
                  "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                  "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                  "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                  • #10
                    Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                    Originally posted by gummy View Post
                    Damn it, I HATE having to listen to the opposing announcers for home games! Grrrrrrr.
                    Does it happen a lot?I thought on NBA League Pass you only get to listen to the home announcers.
                    Never forget

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                    • #11
                      Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                      So they are presenting everybody? this kind of sucks, MILEEEES PLUMLEEEE!!!!! meh.......
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #12
                        Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                        Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
                        Does it happen a lot?I thought on NBA League Pass you only get to listen to the home announcers.
                        It happens a fair amount (on LP Broadband - it's been so many yrs since I've bad LP for TV that I don't know if it happens there).

                        On the flip side, you'll sometimes get the Pacers' feed when they are on the road. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
                        "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                        "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                        "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                        • #13
                          Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                          That was a pretty sweet intro.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                            You should be able to choose which commentators you want.

                            ffs now i have to listen to this sactown flogs.
                            Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 11/3/2012 Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Kings

                              Originally posted by PGisthefuture View Post
                              That was a pretty sweet intro.
                              The Kings feed gave us a riveting interview with Isaiah Thomas instead. :P
                              "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                              "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                              "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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