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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

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  • Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

    I'll try to post a synopsis for those who aren't subscribers.....
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    Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

    Right now......
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      Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

      Terrible interview. The show really needs Ian/Kenny there every day.

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        Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

        I've never heard the show who are some of the hosts??

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          Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          I've never heard the show who are some of the hosts??
          In past years it has been Ian Eagle hosting with Kenny the Jet. This year, however, it doesn't look like Kenny is with the show anymore.

          Ian can't always make it, so they're constantly switching it up.

          Today we have Noah Kozlov hosting with Rick Mahorn. A lot of times they will bring Mitch Lawrence to fill in. Mike Yam (fantasy guy) will often sub in as well. I don't mind Mike Yam or Mitch Lawrence...but the combo. of Ian Eagle and Kenny was just amazing.

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            Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

            Any doubt Gilbert's shot wasn't going in?
            Jamaal played great defense and he made a helluva shot. His reaction was "You guys think I was gonna miss it?"

            How fun is it playing against the top guys like Arenas, TMac, Kobe, etc.
            It's exciting. I grew up watching these guys and it's great to have the opportunity to play against them.

            What did you work on in the offseason?
            Conditioning level. Played a lot of minutes last year and wasn't ready. Conditioned to carry a heavier load?

            O'Brien vs. Carlisle?
            Rick called more plays, O'Brien lets us play. We run an offense with random movement and we get shots off of that. It's a lot funner to play that way.

            Trade last year? Can't expect to gel right away. Are you now a cohesive unit?
            We're a lot better than we were. We've been playing together all summer and we're all entering the system together so that's going to help us big time.

            Your front line could be formidable if everyone's healthy. When's everybody going to be back?
            Jermaine's going to play within the next two games. Troy Murphy doesn't have a serious injury. It's more precautionary. We should be healthy by the 4th or 5th game of the season.

            With Reggie doing games now, how fun is it to see him and say, "Hey we need you to come back."
            It's always great to mess with Reggie. Every once in a while he'll pop up in the locker room out of nowhere. It'd be great to have him back, but he says I'm done with basketball.

            David Harrison 5 for 5 from the line?
            We was walking to the locker room and he said "I'm 5 for 5 from the line. I should shoot technicals now." We said, Whoa hold on. It was a great game for him and he really helped us down the stretch.

            Is this going to be the year for Dunleavy?
            He's been through a few systems that didn't match his style of play. With this system, we don't have a set offense, not too many called plays, I think he'll thrive.

            And that's a system you're comfortable in?
            Most definitely. We get up a lot of shots so you never have to worry about getting shots and if you're not getting enough shots, just play your game and let everything else happen.
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              Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

              Originally posted by rcarey View Post
              In past years it has been Ian Eagle hosting with Kenny the Jet. This year, however, it doesn't look like Kenny is with the show anymore.

              Ian can't always make it, so they're constantly switching it up.

              Today we have Noah Kozlov hosting with Rick Mahorn. A lot of times they will bring Mitch Lawrence to fill in. Mike Yam (fantasy guy) will often sub in as well. I don't mind Mike Yam or Mitch Lawrence...but the combo. of Ian Eagle and Kenny was just amazing.

              Ian Eagle is very good. Mahorn and Dee Brown are his regular co-hosts this year. I've heard Ian with both of them and it was good, but not as good as Ian and Kenny. (The first year of FCP was Kenny Smith and Jody McDonald, which was also pretty good).

              I'll give them some time to build up some team chemistry, but they have a ways to go to catch up with Ian and Kenny. A lot of times they would get off on tangents other than hoops that were hilarious.

              Ian and Mahorn were with the Nets at the same time, so they have a little history to work with. The other day they were going through some of the Nets that were there at the same time and were talking about Derrick Coleman. Ian had gone to Syracuse with Coleman and knew him there. He went up to talk to Coleman after he got the Nets announcing job and the only thing Coleman said to him was "Get your bag off my foot." A couple of months later it dawned on DC that Ian was that same little guy from Syracuse........
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                Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                I've said this many times about Kenny. Some of his basketball analysis is a little wacky, but his personality more than makes up for it

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                  Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I've said this many times about Kenny. Some of his basketball analysis is a little wacky, but his personality more than makes up for it
                  Completely agree. The show was just more "fun" with him on.

                  But as MR said, Ian Eagle is REALLY good. He's my favourite play-by-play guy out there. I love his sense of humour, and he actually knows his stuff extremely well. The duo of Ian & Kenny was hilarious though.

                  Let's be honest though...I'm just waiting for Dylan to call in.

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                    Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                    Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                    David Harrison 5 for 5 from the line?
                    We was walking to the locker room and he said "I'm 5 for 5 from the line. I should shoot technicals now." We said, Whoa hold on. It was a great game for him and he really helped us down the stretch.
                    Ok, that's great.
                    This space for rent.

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                      Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                      FYI, Rick Carlisle is going to be on sometime in the next hour.....
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                        Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                        Any surprise teams, not on your radar?

                        The one team nobody thought was going to be any good was Indiana.

                        I felt that coming into this year, when they had a chance to have a training camp together and get healthy, that they had some real quality depth. They've got some young players that have had a chance to develop and coming into this year I picked them to be homecourt in the playoffs in the first round. They're 3-0 right now. I expect them to be the last team to be undefeated. I think they've got a favorable schedule. They're healthy. They're getting contributions from a wide range of guys.

                        The one thing you notice about this league, if you have quality depth - strength in numbers - and you can shoot the basketball you're going to win some basketball games on those two things alone. The 3 point shot has become one of the most decisive weapons in this league. Indiana is shooting it a lot and shooting it well. They didn't have a lot of flexibility this summer, but what they did was, they brought in Travis Diener a terrific 3 point shooter, and Kareem Rush another terrific 3 point shooter. In their second game Rush hit two or 3 3's in the 4th quarter in a comeback win against Miami.

                        They're getting Jermaine O'Neal back healthy. Tinsley's playing great. I like Indiana. I think they're for real.
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                          Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                          Rick once again shows his class. if he wasn;t such a classy person he could be a little bitter towards the pacers organization "and how it turned out here" and that very well could cloud his judgment on the current team.

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                            Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                            I expect them to be the last team to be undefeated. I think they've got a favorable schedule.


                            That would be pretty freaking favorable if you assume 8-0 or 9-0 to be the bar. Denver and Boston might have something to say about that.

                            Funny that I defend Rick so much, but he's actually arguing against me this season, effectively saying "last year was on me." I don't know how else you could interpret his comments on the Pacers chances this year given the finish last year.

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                              Re: Danny Granger coming on Full Court Press (Sirius 127) shortly.....

                              Rick gave a really good interview, as he always does. Probably on for about 20 minutes.

                              Touched on a wide variety of subjects, one of which was the Warriors and if they are a disappointment early. He called Stephen Jackson the heart and soul of the Warriors and their undisputed 2nd best player and best individual defender. Said you couldn't really judge the Warriors until he gets back and plays 7-8 games.
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