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  • Jermaine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/warrior...t-championship

    Warriors' Jermaine O'Neal takes last shot at championship

    By Diamond Leung

    dleung@bayareanewsgroup.com


    Jermaine O'Neal believes he'll know when it's time for him to retire.

    The Warriors big man can envision a scenario this offseason in which he can't get into the proper frame of mind to start training for another season. That's a telling sign that an 18-year career that has seen stardom and 13 playoff appearances is near its end.
    "This could be it," said O'Neal, 35. "So this is my last chance to try to win a championship. That's how I view it right now, whether it is or not.

    "It affects all the way to how you view your pregame meal to your nap to your bus ride to the arena. Those things are a little more intense than they would normally be."

    O'Neal, who has averaged 11.3 points and eight rebounds in his first six games after the All-Star break, desperately wants his first NBA title. He knows opportunities to win one can be fleeting.

    On Tuesday, O'Neal -- for possibly the final time -- returns to Indiana. While with the Pacers from 2000-08, he garnered six All-Star selections. He still believes that Indiana would have won it all in 2005 had it not been for the Malice at the Palace brawl with Detroit fans.

    "That's one of those situations where it's always going to linger with me, always going to linger with me, 'What if?' O'Neal said last week after the Warriors' shootaround at The Palace. "What if that doesn't happen? Where would we be?"
    He let out a long sigh.

    "Things happen, man."

    The Nov. 19, 2004, incident during the Pacers-Pistons game began as an altercation between players before Indiana's Ron Artest charged into the stands after having a drink thrown on him by a fan.

    At one point in the chaos, O'Neal punched a fan who had trespassed onto the court near the Pacers bench to confront Artest. O'Neal had to be restrained from going after another fan near the tunnel as he was dragged to the locker room while fans hurled drinks.
    "It was a very regretful situation in general," O'Neal said. "I've been on record as saying what I did was in the flow of helping my teammates and in a situation where it wasn't about basketball. It wasn't about anything but survival. Now if I had an opportunity to take it back and it never happened, absolutely, because it changed the concept of a city."

    Then-NBA commissioner David Stern suspended O'Neal for 25 games. The penalty was reduced to 15 games by an arbitrator in a decision the NBA unsuccessfully challenged in federal court. Arbitrator Robert Kaplan cited O'Neal's "character, community involvement and citizenship" in reducing the suspension for a punch that "was clearly out of character."

    O'Neal, Artest and Stephen Jackson pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault charges and were sentenced to probation, community service and fined.

    A dominant post player in the middle of a seven-year, $126 million contract, O'Neal was worn down mentally in the aftermath of the brawl and welcomed a 2008 trade that sent him to Toronto.

    O'Neal never did experience another playoff series win with Indiana after the Pacers lost to Detroit in the 2005 Eastern Conference semifinals. O'Neal still believes Indiana would have won the NBA championship that year had the brawl not derailed the season with suspensions and what he described as a cloud hanging over the franchise.

    "Here I'm into my 18th year, and I still haven't won a championship," O'Neal said. "I'm always going to believe, no matter if I win a championship or not, that was our time."

    The Warriors, his fifth team in the past six seasons, offered O'Neal not only an opportunity for contention but also a locker room in need of the vocal leadership he has provided.

    O'Neal has missed 33 games because of injuries this season, but being sidelined for seven weeks recovering from right wrist surgery might have been a blessing in disguise because it gave him time to have his body ready for the stretch run, according to coach Mark Jackson.
    "To go out playing at this high of a level is a heck of an accomplishment about who he is, how he conducts himself, and the type of professional that he is," Jackson said.

    "He's going to be able to say whether he wants to play anymore because the question will not be, 'Can he do it?' "
    O'Neal noted that his former Pacers teammate Artest, now named Metta World Peace, went won on to win a championship with the Los Angeles Lakers.

    "Hopefully this year I can join the party," O'Neal said.

    For more on the Warriors, see the Inside the Warriors blog at ibabuzz.com/warriors. Follow Diamond Leung on Twitter at twitter.com/diamond83.

    Tuesday's game
    Warriors (36-24) at Indiana (46-13), 4 p.m. CSNBA

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    Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

    It's not looking so good JO. Golden State's train has fallen off the tracks. JO is one of my favorite Pacers players behind only Reggie, Chuck, and Detlef but I hope the Pacers blowout the Warriors tonight and that the Pacers win a championship this year.

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    • #3
      Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

      I can't wait until JO, Artest, and Jackson are out of the league for good so we can stop being reminded of the brawl multiple times a season

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        Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
        I can't wait until JO, Artest, and Jackson are out of the league for good so we can stop being reminded of the brawl multiple times a season
        The ten year anniversary of the event is coming up this fall. it will be discussed then.

        It will never go away completely. Just like the Rudy T and Kermit Washington fight. it will always be brought up

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          Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          The ten year anniversary of the event is coming up this fall. it will be discussed then.

          It will never go away completely. Just like the Rudy T and Kermit Washington fight. it will always be brought up
          A bit like Godwins law?
          Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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          • #6
            Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

            JO was always one of my favorites, but as stated before, GSW just isn't that complete to be the best in the West. Especially with JO starting.

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            • #7
              Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

              JO was a beast physically, but could never back up what he said on the court. Part of that was injuries, but I am not sure he ever had the makeup to be a true #1 guy on a title contending team.

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              • #8
                Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                My opinion of JO over the years went way up, way down, and now it's back to mostly up again. Loved him in his prime here, soured on him as I heard unflattering things about him behind the scenes (prima donna stuff, fighting with Artest, though the latter point I don't entirely blame him, really), and of course as his health and game declined, but looking back, I don't blame him for his body betraying him, and I think his other issues, if you put them on THIS team rather than THAT team, would seem far, far less of a problem than they seemed at the time, so I don't really care much about that stuff, either.

                I think overall Jermaine O'Neal was a nice, good person who gave us some great years in his prime as a Pacer, someone who loved BEING a Pacer, someone who cared about legacy and about this franchise, and he honored and respected the Pacer legend he got to play with (Reggie Miller), and I wish him the best, honestly.

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                  Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  The ten year anniversary of the event is coming up this fall. it will be discussed then.

                  It will never go away completely. Just like the Rudy T and Kermit Washington fight. it will always be brought up


                  Yep its unrealistic for anyone to think otherwise especially when it was such an ugly moment not only in Pacers history but the history of American Sports in general. Hopefully we will never witness something like this again.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                    J O will always be my guy. He went out the way to allow me to meet him on his honey moon here in Anguilla. He's a class act and a professional. I wish him the utmost best
                    Impossible Is Nothing

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                    • #11
                      Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                      I think all of us Pacer fans wonder what could have been if the brawl didn't happen. We might have won one, maybe even two, championships. But I believe it's a double-sided issue. Our current team, in my opinion, is better than the early 2000's teams. And if the brawl didn't happen, then today's team would look much different. Yes, there was a period of mediocrity, but I think the wait was worth it.

                      As this pertains to Jermaine, he deserves a championship. But I hope he doesn't get it, because that means he'd beat the Pacers

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                      • #12
                        Re: Jermaine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                        He better hope Toronto doesn't pull off a Miracle.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                          Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          The ten year anniversary of the event is coming up this fall. it will be discussed then.

                          It will never go away completely. Just like the Rudy T and Kermit Washington fight. it will always be brought up
                          I don't expect it to ever be forgotten. I'm just tired of seeing it brought up whenever Joe Schmoe reporter gets to talk to any of the guys involved.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jermaine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                            I have a lot of mixed opinions on him. Until PG, I thought JO was the most talented player the Pacers have ever had. But his injuries changed him over the years. Also Mark Boyle who is around the players a lot was really only critical of 1 player during the early 00's and that was JO. Boyle was not critical of Stephen Jackson, Artest or even Tinsley, but he was of JO.

                            Also a lot of the behind the scene stuff I heard about him soured me on JO. None of it matters now, but it was there.

                            What I often saw on the court was what I labeled a lazy player. He failed to block out on rebounds a good percentage of the time, he failed to play with energy as often as he should have. His man-to-man one-on-one defense was not very good. His helpside defense was excellent.

                            I'll leave it at that.


                            As to whether the 2005 team would have won the championship. They would have been a contender, but the '04 team couldn't beat the Pistons so I doubt the '05 could have. But they would have had a chance to. But I also figured if it wasn't the brawl something else would have torn that team apart. So I doubt that team ever would have won a championship.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-04-2014, 03:09 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jermaoine O'Neal going for a championship. Some of his comments on the brawl in Detroit

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              My opinion of JO over the years went way up, way down, and now it's back to mostly up again. Loved him in his prime here, soured on him as I heard unflattering things about him behind the scenes (prima donna stuff, fighting with Artest, though the latter point I don't entirely blame him, really), and of course as his health and game declined, but looking back, I don't blame him for his body betraying him, and I think his other issues, if you put them on THIS team rather than THAT team, would seem far, far less of a problem than they seemed at the time, so I don't really care much about that stuff, either.

                              I think overall Jermaine O'Neal was a nice, good person who gave us some great years in his prime as a Pacer, someone who loved BEING a Pacer, someone who cared about legacy and about this franchise, and he honored and respected the Pacer legend he got to play with (Reggie Miller), and I wish him the best, honestly.
                              Couldn't say it better myself.

                              JO remains my second favorite Pacer of all time behind Reggie.

                              I suppose I understand all the hate he gets from some fans. Just wish it was different. I think most of it is completely undeserved.

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