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Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

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  • Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

    Ok no more A.I. talk. Maggette probably wont happen. So who are some under-the-radar players you'd like to see in Indiana? Looking back at our recent history, our best moves have been stealing under utilized youngsters from other teams and turning them into stars. We stole Jalen Rose from Denver and he was arguably our best player from 98-2000, including the Finals team. We stole JO from Portland, he is of course our franchise player. And we practically stole Artest and Brad Miller from Chicago once Jalen Rose became overpaid and a bit of a *****. I thought Marquis could've been next in line, but stubborn Carlisle doesnt play him nearly enough, so I guess not. So who are some players around the league who you think could be the next dud-to-stud for the Pacers to steal away and help lead us to our next period of greatness?

    My 3 choices.....

    Rashad McCants, SG, Wolves - This guy had a really good rookie season. He allegedly had a questionable attitude coming into the league, but he can ball so thats all I care about. He had surgery in the offseason but should be back within weeks according to ESPN.com. He could be our SG of the present and the future, but I doubt Minnesota is in any hurry to trade him.

    Sean May, PF, Bobcats - Really good big man. Nice scorer with a soft touch and a hell of a rebounder. He's better than Brad Miller and a hell of a lot younger, not to mention he's not massively overpaid like Brad. I don't know if Charlotte is willing to let him go, but he'd be a nice sidekick for JO.

    Sebastian Telfair, PG, Celtics - Boston has approx. 400 point guards, so you'd figure one or two would be movable. Telfair hasn't done much thus far, but he's still extremely young with some nice upside. He'd be a gamble, but then again so was JO, and he turned out ok.

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    Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

    The only one that maybe attainable is Telfair....but I would much rather have Delonte....I'm not impressed by what Telfair has done. He seems to be more flash then substance. Delonte reminds me more of a poor-man's Jason Kidd.

    McCants will likely be the TWolves starting SG of the future....and given the liklihood that KG will be gone.....he's one of their building blocks.

    May showed real signs of what he was capable of when Primoz went down with injury. On top of that....given one of the main reasons why he was drafted from the Bobcats....cuz of his ties to UNC and the local fanbase...he's likely unattainable.

    A player off the top of my head that could possibly be had ( if we are lucky ) is Ike Diogu. I think that he could be had if we offered the right pieces to attain him. But if he could be had.....I would only do it if Carlisle wasn't our coach. I think that he could blossom into a very solid low-post threat....but only under the right circumstances ( given minutes to develop, the right coach to teach him, etc. ).
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      Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

      I thought this player could be Quis (no offense to you ) Unfortunately he has been a little disappointing but I hope he can still bring it around. I'd have to think on this for a while but off the top of my head I would say I would do a lot to try to get Devin Harris in a Pacers uni.


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        Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

        I like the following players:

        David Lee
        Andray Blatche
        Luther Head
        Johan Petro
        Shaun Livingston

        If we could get one of these young players as throw-ins in a trade for some unwanted players of other teams (like Francis, Jamison, Howard, Fortson or Maggette) that would be sweet.
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          Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

          Originally posted by Quis View Post
          Looking back at our recent history, our best moves have been stealing under utilized youngsters from other teams and turning them into stars. We stole Jalen Rose from Denver and he was arguably our best player from 98-2000, including the Finals team. We stole JO from Portland, he is of course our franchise player. And we practically stole Artest and Brad Miller from Chicago once Jalen Rose became overpaid and a bit of a *****.
          I gotta correct you from my memory. You're giving an EXTREMELY simplistic accounting of things.

          We didn't STEAL Rose. Getting Rose was a miscalculation on our part, that we managed to rectify. We tried to get younger and gave up Mark Jackson to get him, thinking Travis Best could run the team.

          He couldn't.

          Jalen came to our team and was promptly benched. He didn't play D, was a hot-head and a bit of a problem child. The dreadsed bust word was even being used about Jalen. We basically got lucky that Larry Brown was able to pound it into his head that he needed to act like a pro, quick being a turnover machine and eventually he came around. After he left the Pacers, he reverted to form. NO steal there. That was LB's force of will.

          It was such a non-steal that we had to scramble to get Mark back mid-season.

          Rose later became a problem child again when he started sulking about Tinsley playing more PG than he was . In that STEAL, we got two solid years outta Jalen and had to get back a player we traded him for.

          I see what you asking about hidden gems, but Jalen wasn't one of them, in my book.

          As to under the radar players, I'll post what I wrote a few days ago:

          Being realistic and not getting into multiple team scenarios, first name I would throw out there is Earl Watson. He's a pass first PG who can score, but has an emphasis on D. He's not top tier, but I think he's damn solid and obtainable, especially given what been going on with him in Seattle.

          If it wasn't for Swift getting injured, I'd like to see us grab Petro, too.

          In that same vein, another tandem whom I think is obtainable is Antonio Daniels and Brendan Heywood. AD is a tough defender and plays both SG and PG and would be a strong vet presence. I think Brendan may be one of those guys who needs a chance of scenery to pick things up, ala Chauncey Billups. Brendan is big, a shot blocker and has shown the ability to be a double digit scorer.


          I also gotta think Melvin Ely is avaliable, but where is his head at?
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            Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

            Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
            In that same vein, another tandem whom I think is obtainable is Antonio Daniels and Brendan Heywood. AD is a tough defender and plays both SG and PG and would be a strong vet presence. I think Brendan may be one of those guys who needs a chance of scenery to pick things up, ala Chauncey Billups. Brendan is big, a shot blocker and has shown the ability to be a double digit scorer.
            That could be good... I'd go for that. Depending, as always, what we gave up.

            Right on with the Jalen thing, though.
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              Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

              Originally posted by Alpolloloco View Post
              I like the following players:

              David Lee
              Andray Blatche
              Luther Head
              Johan Petro
              Shaun Livingston

              If we could get one of these young players as throw-ins in a trade for some unwanted players of other teams (like Francis, Jamison, Howard, Fortson or Maggette) that would be sweet.

              If we wanted Livingston, we'd have to offer JO.

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                Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                Alexander Johnson, the guy we traded to get James White (not to mention the extra pick or picks), would seem to be a decent fit for this team. We may look back at that deal & not care about the picks but give the rat's *** that we gave away Johnson for nothing...still too much remains to be seen, though...

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                  Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                  Originally posted by Easy View Post
                  Alexander Johnson, the guy we traded to get James White (not to mention the extra pick or picks), would seem to be a decent fit for this team. We may look back at that deal & not care about the picks but give the rat's *** that we gave away Johnson for nothing...still too much remains to be seen, though...

                  Easy out
                  I agree with this. I've asked myself this numerous times. Offensively, Johnson is probably already superior to Baston and Powell. And he's got size on both of them.

                  Alexander's been around 30 minutes per game the last three and producing about double digits each night plus some decent boardwork. I assume this is due to the Griz's injury struggles but it would appear this guy's got some skills to work with.

                  Of course James White's athleticism was appealing, but TPTB couldn't help telling us he was easily a 1st round pick. I interpreted that as being a significantly higher pick than where he was taken. If that's the case I can't see why he wasn't retained before Powell or Marshall.
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                    Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                    Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
                    I see what you asking about hidden gems, but Jalen wasn't one of them, in my book.
                    I do understand your argument and we surely did have to get back Mark Jackson to really make things work....so a Jalen for Jackson trade wasn't a "steal" per se.

                    But Jalen was one of the most important pieces of the only NBA Finals team in the history of the franchise....so the fact that we got Jalen for Jackson and then managed to get Jackson back too, without giving up much can certainly be regarded as at least a "coup".
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                      Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                      melvin ely
                      LoneGranger33 said
                      Agreed. As the members of Guns and Roses once said, "every rose has its thorn".

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                        Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                        Mickael Pietrus

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                          Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                          Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                          Mickael Pietrus
                          I agree.....I think that he could easily fit in as a "Bruce Bowen" type player.....he's a solid perimeter defender and can hit the 3pt shot as a 7th / 8th scoring option.
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                            Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                            Hakim Warrick and Eddy Curry.

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                              Re: Under The Radar Players You'd Like To See in Indiana?

                              Sebastian Telfair. I love his game.

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