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  • Geothermal info needed

    Not to be political, but.........

    With the Cap and Trade movement about to cause energy costs to skyrocket, I am considering alternative heat sources (I really need a new furnace anyway). I also have a leaky water heater but that's another matter. So yeah, anyone know anything about the in-line "on demand" water heaters so popular in Europe?

    Geothermal HVAC seems to make sense to me and perhaps solar panels for the home.

    Anyone have experience with either? Where to find SOLID info about either? And how do I know who I can trust?
    (I'm skeptical of every claim I hear)
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    The on-demand water heaters are great in theory, but when I was considering installing one to replace my electric tank water heater that took a dump, I was advised by several people that they are very temperamental. Unless the water you are running through it is VERY clean, it will probably have a tendency to clog up at the element and need repairs quite a bit. I think we are a victim of geography as far as that goes, geezer. I live in a town that is nicknamed 'Lime City' so I decided to not go with the tankless or on-demand water heater.

    As far as geothermal heat or solar panel installation goes, I don't know much, but I might be able to find a couple of phone numbers for you. I have a friend who has solar panels, and another friend who has geothermal. Not sure how either got their systems installed, who did it for them, or if they felt they were treated fairly or not, but I could find out. Not sure how much help information local to Huntington, IN would benefit you, but I would be happy to make a couple of phone calls for you if you would like.

    The only thing I know for certain about geothermal heating is that there is a property tax exemption for it. Given that you probably already have a homestead and mortgage exemption, and with your username, you might have an age exemption...not sure you could get the geothermal one. I think there is a limit to how many exemptions you can have.

    One way or the other, I may be in a position to be able to find out some info for you, but it might not be very useful. Let me know if you want me to proceed...



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      Re: Geothermal info needed

      I'd recommend one of these:

      http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...lear_hot_t.php
      This space for rent.

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      • #4
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        OK This is freaky. I posted this thread this AM and this afternoon a new prospective client talked about wanting a commercial property. I found something I thought they might like and went out to view it myself. The building is owned and shared by a HVAC company that teaches others how to install Geothermal. The building is heated/cooled via geothermal and the floor is even heated. Hell they even have an LPG pumping station for duel fuel vehicles.

        I guess I'll be talking with them as I get further along with this....or at least I know where to go to talk with somebody about it.

        In the meantime Heywood any info you can find out would be helpful, as I said I don't trust most of what I hear so I like to get multiple sources. And I'd still like info on solar panels and/or windmills. As for the inline water heater, that is NOT good news. I am on Indy water but need a water softener or I get scale on my dishes horribly. I absolutely ruined a humidifier in 6 months becasue of the lime scale.
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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          BTW....am I a nutcase? You betchum Red Rider. With the taxes and inflation that are about to hit us I gotta do everything I can to save on utilities. AND I am going to the point of getting a good roto-tiller to put in a garden and my 85 yr old mother and I are going to "can" green beans, tomatoes, etc.

          If as I predict, we are about to enter a period of near depression and total government dependency, I wish to be independent as long as possible. Even if we don't, I wish to be as free of this governmental control as I can be.

          OK political rant off. I apologize. Someone has already said they "fear" me. I don't want that to be the case...I've simply stated what I believe with my whole being. I honestly pray that I am wrong. But I don't believe it for an instant.

          again, Rant off!~!
          Last edited by indygeezer; 04-02-2009, 07:57 PM.
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            I'm proud of you, geezer! You are doing all the right things. Your reasons are delusional, but your proposed actions are noble.



            I'm glad to see you're getting some good information, too. The experience I've had with European plumbing doesn't recommend itself, but maybe you can find better answers. Go for it! At our house, the plans are for a second wood stove and for a south-facing greenhouse room to capture winter sunlight and heat.
            And I won't be here to see the day
            It all dries up and blows away
            I'd hang around just to see
            But they never had much use for me
            In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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              Re: Geothermal info needed

              Oh Geez there is really nothing wrong with being paranoid.

              Living in an area where property is way too expensive to be able for me to purchase can be frustrating in this regard. This is especially for Mrs. DC since she is used to growing all of her own fruits and vegetables. We are looking forward to getting a place with a yard (yes this is a luxury in DC) in the somewhat near future so we can grow all of our own veggies and what fruits we can. After that we will move a couple counties out to the boonies, which is what we both prefer, and have a little animal farm for our own meat, too.
              Last edited by idioteque; 04-02-2009, 08:40 PM.

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                I will say this tho, I am not storing ammunition and building bunkers, nor do I foresee a 30's style depression. But I do see the gov't giving us everything we "need" so we don't truelly feel the pain.

                (Oh feel lucky, I just wrote and deleted a looooong tome on energy and prices...just too preachie)
                Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  Re: Geothermal info needed

                  Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                  Oh Geez there is really nothing wrong with being paranoid.

                  Living in an area where property is way too expensive to be able for me to purchase can be frustrating in this regard. This is especially for Mrs. DC since she is used to growing all of her own fruits and vegetables. We are looking forward to getting a place with a yard (yes this is a luxury in DC) in the somewhat near future so we can grow all of our own veggies and what fruits we can. After that we will move a couple counties out to the boonies, which is what we both prefer, and have a little animal farm for our own meat, too.
                  Good for you. After my cousin's husband spent about 5 hrs. climbing out from under the rubble of the Pentagon on 9/11 he moved a couple of counties south too. To an area called South Carolina.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    Re: Geothermal info needed

                    Friend of mine in LA had a modest house and a modest income and decided to go solar. It cost some money for sure, and he made some blunders early but pretty soon he started getting checks FROM the power company for sharing his energy with the grid. Then he looked around and discovered that all those early blunders gave him an education on equipment selection and installation.

                    He turned his knowledge into a business just 5 years ago and let's just say his house and income aren't so modest anymore.

                    He dreams of a future when power hogging businesses and governments pay its citizens for use of their wind, geothermal and solar energy resources. Imagine traffic lights that pay you.
                    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                    “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                    • #11
                      Re: Geothermal info needed

                      At my house, to save energy, we burn the desiccated corpses of the rich, after all things good have been sucked out of them for the benefit of the common weal. (The weight difference is not that much, oddly enough.) Lot of hot air left, though.

                      -- smiley face -- -- buddies -- -- worker solidarity --


                      Actually, what I'd like to do is micro-hydroelectric. Unfortunately, our water source is at the bottom of the hill, instead of the top. Go figure.


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                        Re: Geothermal info needed

                        Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                        Friend of mine in LA had a modest house and a modest income and decided to go solar. It cost some money for sure, and he made some blunders early but pretty soon he started getting checks FROM the power company for sharing his energy with the grid. Then he looked around and discovered that all those early blunders gave him an education on equipment selection and installation.

                        He turned his knowledge into a business just 5 years ago and let's just say his house and income aren't so modest anymore.

                        He dreams of a future when power hogging businesses and governments pay its citizens for use of their wind, geothermal and solar energy resources. Imagine traffic lights that pay you.


                        Sounds like a "too good" dream. Hm....how about charging tall buildings for creating barriers to sunshine and wind that you might be able to use if they didn't exist? Somewhere there is a lawyer just waiting to take on a case like that.
                        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                          Re: Geothermal info needed

                          Originally posted by kester99 View Post
                          At my house, to save energy, we burn the desiccated corpses of the rich, after all things good have been sucked out of them for the good of the common weal. (The weight difference is not that much, oddly enough.) Lot of hot air left, though.

                          -- smiley face -- -- buddies -- -- worker solidarity --


                          Actually, what I'd like to do is micro-hydroelectric. Unfortunately, our water source is at the bottom of the hill, instead of the top. Go figure.
                          have you ever seen the old gold miner water boxes (placer mining??) that get smaller and smaller as the water runs into them? The pipe starts out with a large diameter and and as the water flows thru it's length the pipe gets narrower and narrower, thus increasing pressure and momentum. By the time the water exits the pipe the opening is merely a couple of inches with massive velocity and pressure. They were able to wash away entire mountainsides this way....now apply that to a generating turbine and viola...free electricity.
                          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                            Re: Geothermal info needed

                            The actual "skyrocketing" is predicted to be about $20 a month. So the installation of a geothermal heat pump, costing $15,000-$40,000, would pay for itself right?

                            $20 link

                            Link


                            "Cost

                            As a rule of thumb, a geothermal heat pump system costs about $2,500 per ton of capacity. The typically sized home would use a three-ton unit costing roughly $7,500. That initial cost is nearly twice the price of a regular heat pump system that would probably cost about $4,000, with air conditioning.
                            You will have to, however, add the cost of drilling to this total amount. The final cost will depend on whether your system will drill vertically deep underground or will put the loops in a horizontal fashion a shorter distance below ground. The cost of drilling can run anywhere from $10,000 to $30,000, or more depending on the terrain and other local factors.
                            Added to an already built home an replacing an existing HVAC unit, an efficient geothermal system saves enough on utility bills that the investment can be recouped in five to ten years"


                            second link is for GHP prices
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                            • #15
                              Re: Geothermal info needed

                              "now apply that to a generating turbine and viola...free electricity"


                              Yep, that's the idea I'd like to go with (particularly the viola part), but it'll have to wait until we get a slope running down from the water.

                              Solar would probably work here, just fine. Don't know about the neighborhood association, though. The 'architectural committee' tend to be skeptics at just about any change visible from the street.

                              Yes, I'd love to have GA Power pay me, though.
                              Last edited by kester99; 04-06-2009, 02:01 PM.


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