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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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How do you know your Pacers?

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  • How do you know your Pacers?

    Just wondering...How were you first introduced/first became a fan of/realized the Pacers existed? In other words, why did you become a fan or what are your earliest memories of the Pacers?

    I didn't know who Reggie Miller was until I was watching the news one day and some guy's house had been on fire. They had a helicopter circling his burnt-down house or something. I was like,"Who is 'Reggie Miller' and why do we care if his house burned down?"

    One day at school, after the Pacers lost a game, a friend of mine asked if I had seen the Pacers lose a tough game last night and I said,"The Pacers suck," not even knowing what the heck 'The Pacers' were. He then explained to me that the Pacers were awesome and that Reggie Miller was the best player and he was offended that I said the Pacers sucked, when I didn't even know what they were.

    How boutchu guys?

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    Re: How do you know your Pacers?

    Wrong Forum-- moving to Pacers

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      Re: How do you know your Pacers?

      One day at school, after the Pacers lost a game, a friend of mine asked if I had seen the Pacers lose a tough game last night and I said,"The Pacers suck," not even knowing what the heck 'The Pacers' were.
      Thank you for reminding me why I hate(d) most kids/teens

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        Re: How do you know your Pacers?

        I had been aware that there was a team in Indy called the Pacers but that was it. Happened to be in Indy on a game night and watched them play on the TV in a bar, Reggie had one of his "Miller times" and I was hooked.

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        • #5
          Re: How do you know your Pacers?

          I had known of them since the mid 90's -- watched some games every now and again but purely for something to do. Played some video games of the NBA for amusement and sometimes played the Pacers, but didn't really have a deep appreciation for it or anything; purely casual interest.

          Grew up appreciating/liking bball, but never took it further.

          Then in '98, I watched them in the playoffs a little bit. One of my first memories of being impressed with them was seeing the end of that Knick game where they made a nice pass around the perimeter to an open Reggie to hit a 3 that I believe led to overtime, where the Pacers won.

          But that wasn't it. It was when I heard our local team was going up against THE Chicago Bulls lead by JORDAN (As a kid you always knew who Jordan and the Bulls were), I knew I HAD to check that out. So I made a point of watching all of that series. After the Pacers' terrific home game wins against the Bulls, I was officially hooked. Watched in pain as they narrowly lost to the Bulls in game 7, and remembered to check them out starting in the preseason of the '99 lockout year.

          Heck, I was so hooked that when I watched some IU games when the NBA was still locked out and saw fans holding signs like "Who needs the NBA?" I kept thinking "I do!".

          Anyway, starting with that playoff series and into the '99 season, I watched nearly every game, skipping them occasionally during the regular season as they played nearly the same game every time

          Then of course watched all of the playoffs and enjoyed their two runs deep into the tourney. Then during the first month or two of the 2000-2001 season, I discovered a forum. Of course that was the Indy Star Pacers Board.

          That place is what made me a hardcore, die-hard fan. The rest is history from there. Learned a lot, become much more knowledgeable, developed a since of community, and eventually was able to provide a better place for that community to live I'm proud to say.

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            Re: How do you know your Pacers?

            When I was young, we would sometimes go to Cincy to see the Royals play.

            Later when I was a freshman in high school, there were rumors of a possible new pro league. Soon after, it was announced that there was to be a new league, and that a team would be located in Indy. I was on board from that time forward.... even before the first Pacer player was announced.

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            • #7
              Re: How do you know your Pacers?

              I'm a life long pacer fan (which isn't saying much because i'm only fifteen) but i really became hooked during the eastern conference finals with new york and then chicago. my entire room is pacers. I love them
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              • #8
                Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                Like beast, I was around from the beginning. Saw so many games at the Fairgrounds growing up. Actually saw a 171-145 game against the Los Angeles Stars. I THINK it was before they moved to Utah. Anyway, it was a loooonnnnnggggggg game. Pacers made 60-70 free throws I think and the Stars hit something like 45-60. I don't know how there could have been any players left. Also remember listening to a game on the radio when they score 172 against the Pittsburgh Condors.

                As silly as it may sound, I'm not sure what I would have done without the Pacers growing up.

                Hey beast! Is the story true that Pacer scouts were on the way to Cincinnati to talk to Oscar Robertson and took a wrong turn and ended up in Dayton and decided to sign Roger Brown?
                The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                  Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                  I really got involved when the Pacers won the playoff series down in Orlando with the Byron Scott shot. Over the years as we had our playoff series games I got more and more involved.

                  I remember turning off the game against New York a little bit before Reggie made those two threes in the final seconds.. My mom came and told me that the Pacers did win that game and I thought she was just pulling my leg. When I found out she wasn't lying I've been a die hard ever since because of Mr. Reggie Miller and his playoff magic.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                    Hey beast! Is the story true that Pacer scouts were on the way to Cincinnati to talk to Oscar Robertson and took a wrong turn and ended up in Dayton and decided to sign Roger Brown?
                    I'd never heard that one. That would be too funny. But even if they had talked to Oscar, there was no way he ever would have returned to play ball in Indy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                      October, 1967, Fairgrounds Coliseum vs. Kentucky Colonels.

                      btw, the Big "O" recommended the Pacers take a look at Roger Brown.

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                        Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                        I remember turning off the game against New York a little bit before Reggie made those two threes in the final seconds.. My mom came and told me that the Pacers did win that game and I thought she was just pulling my leg. When I found out she wasn't lying I've been a die hard ever since because of Mr. Reggie Miller and his playoff magic.
                        Boy do I remember that game. My daughter and I had gone to pick up our son from WashU in St Louis. My son, having given up on the game, was busy loading up stuff to take home in our van. In the dorm rec room, it was my daughter and I representing the Pacers, and a whole room full (8 or so) of east coast kids rooting for the Knicks.

                        We had to endure all the trash leading up to Reggie's heroics without being able to say much of anything. A couple of them were saying things like "We feel so sorry for you we'll help you load up" etc. etc.

                        Reggie hits the shots, the Pacers win, and my daughter and I aren't saying a word. Just grinning ear-to-ear. The Knicks fans are not saying a word... just sitting in total shock. I get up walk to the door, clear my throat and say one word. "Scoreboard". Then added "By the way. Didn't someone way something about helping to load up a van?"

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                          Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                          My story is a bit different from anyone elses


                          I was 7 years old on vacation visiting my uncle in layfayette, IN

                          I got really, really sick and could not leave the couch

                          So I was watching TV and a Pacers game was on

                          I watched Reggie light it up, and I was hooked


                          Been a die-hard fan ever since

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                            Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                            I grew up in Indy, but no one in my family, and I am the youngest of 5 kids, were Pacers fans. None of my friends were Pacers fans. Heck there weren't that many Pacers fans anywhere.

                            But I was exposed to NFL Football, Indy 500, Cincy Reds baseball, IU football and IU basketball at a younger age, so when I was really young I was more of a fan of all those sports. I would occasionally watch the NBA finals at 11:30 PM tape delayed and I did enjoy it.

                            But I went to a Pacers game when I was 8, maybe 9 years old and I loved it, I said this is the team for me, this is the sport for me. My family and friends thought I was crazy, listening to every game the way I did. I roomed with my brother from 1st through 4th grade and would listen to every game on the radio, Bob Lamey, but I had to hold the radio up to my ear because my brother did not want to hear it and I was supposed to be asleep.

                            Every year I became more and more a Pacer fan and NBA fan and less a fan of other sports to the point now where I never watch other sports, I saw one play of the Super Bowl tonight and it was the winning FG


                            Sorry I am going on and on about this.

                            I am sure no one is reading this post at this point.

                            Until 1987, I had probably been to 5 or 6 games my whole life, but when I went to my first ever playoff game in 1987 against the Hawks that sealed the deal for me, I have been a nut ever since, I have been to every home playoff game since.

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                              Re: How do you know your Pacers?

                              There are a few of us here who remember the Pacers-Kentucky Colonel rivalry. It was every bit as fierce as the old Pacer-Knick rivalry. God - I miss that rivalry. I wish the Colonels had come into the league too.
                              The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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