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  • Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

    Lot of discussion regarding Mahinmi and upgrading w a 3rd Big. I cannot find a list of backup centers and salary specifically but below is a link to Hollingers player efficiency ratings for all nba centers (starting and bench). I don't place a great amount prominence on stats and not the intent of this thread. Because Iain is ranked last for all qualified players. this list is simply to provide us with a list of backup centers we pershaps should consider.

    other than going round and round in circles and no one providing substantial data. please review the list in the link provided below. if someone has a better breakdown w salary included it would be appreciated.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...s/_/position/c


    Centers I would like the Pacers to consider as a third big: these are reasonable suggestions. obviously I would like to see us a add a Vucevic or even a Tyler/Cody Zellar but I don't see how that is reasonable without trading core players.


    DeJuan Blair - prob not likely.
    Dalembert - I think he is paid too much.
    Plumlee - like to get him back
    ZaZa Pachulia - heck yea, but im guess he is paid more than 4M.

    Greg Stiemsma - this one seems very realistic,,, and would be a nice addition. 2.7 M salary,,, I would deal Cope for this guy.

    I remember Stiemsma from his Boston days and he seems to be a darn good defensive player. I don't want to see this guy on the Heat.


    if anyone else has a list please feel welcome to post. I cant find anything with salaries included.

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    Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

    Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.

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      Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
      Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.
      Just to be clear. I am advocating Stiesma as a third big. Not a replacement for Mahinmi.

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      • #4
        Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

        Waiting for the Fesenko post in 10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.....

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        • #5
          Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

          Let's go get The Fez!

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          • #6
            Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

            That list convinced me. Ian is our man. All we need is a decent 12 minutes out of him every night. Hopefully Danny can come back at some point and give us 20-25 minutes per game, that will take some of Scola power forward minutes away from him, so I expect to see a little more of Scola and West together.

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            • #7
              Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

              Depth charts:

              http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

              good excerpt on Plumlee.

              Miles Plumlee had just six points, six rebounds and zero blocks on 3-of-4 shooting in 19 minutes of Tuesday's win over the Lakers.

              Plumlee has now scored 6, 9, 4, 11 and 9 points in each of his last five games, and hasn't had double digits in rebounds in any of them. His minutes have tailed off recently as well, as he's seen between just 19 and 21 of them in his previous three games. He is still averaging 7.4 rebounds and 1.8 blocks over his last five, so if you're thinking about dropping him for a hot free agent, make sure your team can survive without his blocks and boards.



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              Greg Stiemsma (left knee) will miss the next 6-8 weeks with a sprained left MCL.

              He suffered the injury on Tuesday night and did not return. Stiemsma has a Grade-2 sprain, so his prognosis is on par with similar injuries. Jason Smith will pick up some extra minutes along with newly-signed Lou Amundson. Nov 15 - 7:34 PM

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              • #8
                Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

                Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
                Pau Gasol$19,285,850
                Chris Bosh$19,067,500
                Marc Gasol$14,860,523
                Brook Lopez$14,693,906
                Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
                Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
                LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
                Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
                Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
                Nene$13,000,000
                Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
                Al Horford$12,000,000
                Joakim Noah$11,100,000
                DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
                JaVale McGee$10,750,000
                Tim Duncan$10,361,446
                Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
                Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
                Omer Asik$8,374,646
                Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
                Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
                Channing Frye$6,400,000
                Jason Thompson$5,643,750
                DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
                Marreese Speights$4,515,000
                Marcus Camby$4,383,773
                Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
                Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
                Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
                Kwame Brown$2,945,901
                Aaron Gray$2,690,875
                Nick Collison$2,585,668
                Andre Drummond$2,462,400
                Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
                Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
                Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
                Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
                Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
                Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
                Fab Melo$1,311,240
                Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
                Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
                Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

                From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2nCGtx8rz
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                  Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                  Don't forget about Nick Collison's insane contract:

                  http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ract-extension
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                    Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

                    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

                    Guys I like are:

                    - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
                    - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
                    - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
                    - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
                    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
                    - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)
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                      Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                      And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                        Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                        And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????
                        Specifically pointed out options, in terms of salary/trade options.
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                          Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                          Originally posted by P_George View Post
                          I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

                          We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

                          Guys I like are:

                          - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
                          - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
                          - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
                          - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
                          - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
                          - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)

                          Solid list.

                          Asik - I don't want his candya** attitude. Let Miami have him if they can acquire.

                          Dalembert - attitude issues early in career but I like him at a reasonable salary.

                          ****
                          Character must be a consideration. if not we as well make a play for "Boogy" (Cousins)

                          Varjeao but Cleveland aint trading him to us... unless they truly hate LeBron that much?!?!?! I would love absolutely love Varegeo if he is healthy. Closest to Foster there is in the lg imho.




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                          I always believed that Bird if he had a winning roster and assets could turn water to wine. Its amazing how teams will simply give up and tank by trading players next to nothing. I don't want to just beat Miami. I want the Pacers to crush them. That's the intent I hope Legend takes on any potential trade deadline deal.

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                            Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                            And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????
                            Marreese Speights$4,515,000
                            Marcus Camby$4,383,773
                            Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
                            Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
                            Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
                            Kwame Brown$2,945,901
                            Aaron Gray$2,690,875
                            Nick Collison$2,585,668
                            Andre Drummond$2,462,400
                            Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
                            Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
                            Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
                            Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
                            Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
                            Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
                            Fab Melo$1,311,240
                            Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
                            Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
                            Festus Ezeli$1,066,920



                            Aaron Gray would be a nice upgrade from what I can remember. Plumlee is who I want back.

                            I think most of the guy on the list I would want (Koufous, Drummond, Sullinger,... ) we cannot acquire. Sound like Heat fans offering JoelAnthony and Chalmers for Asik or Bosh for "boogy"


                            realistically we prob cannot even acquire Plumllee.

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                              Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

                              Originally posted by P_George View Post
                              Specifically pointed out options, in terms of salary/trade options.
                              No offense, but most of those guys are not even remotely close to being realistic options.

                              Asik: We don't have the assets Houston wants, he wants to start, and his contract balloons to a level we couldn't possibly pay next season.
                              Dalembert: Not bad, still a little pricey--not sure who/what to deal to make that trade work though.
                              Hill: The Lakers are thin up front and he's been dinged up a little bit. Not a horrible option, but I don't think it's particularly likely to happen.
                              Varejao: He has way too much value around the league and costs way too much for a backup center with the financial constraints on our team. Great fit, but not realistic.
                              Biyombo: He is interesting. He might be falling out of favor in Charlotte, but how much of an upgrade over Mahinmi is he really?
                              JO: He's in a good place in Golden State. They need a few bigs like him in case the frail Andrew Bogut goes down.

                              My main point: Working out a deal for an obvious upgrade over Mahinmi is challenging without giving up a core player or taking back long term salary. Also, one presumes that Mahinmi himself would not be all that attractive to the other teams if we are looking to upgrade him. I think we can complain about him all we want, but I don't really find it realistic to think that we will make a midseason move to bolster the position, unless it is part of a larger Danny Granger deal (another trade I doubt goes down).

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