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    So LeBron grabs a rebound and in the process of grabbing said rebound a Pacer player brought his arm down in the general vicinity of where his excellence was running. This allows the greatest player in the game today and arguably one of the greatest players to ever play the game to do the one single thing that he doesn’t need to do to be great. While the arm was in the area (it might have been Lance but I don’t remember) it was nowhere near James. However that did not stop him from thrusting his head back as though he were struck in the face by a 2 x 4.

    Problem for LeBron was though that the referee wasn’t buying it, this blatant flopping attempt drew the ire of the crowd (rightly so) and in response to this LeBron instead of ignoring the situation decides that he is a better actor than everyone else’s eyes are viewers and then proceeds to rub and hold his nose as though it were broken. Again sadly for him it still didn’t work. He would not let it go though even on the way back down the court after the next play he still grabbed his nose acting like the longer he would do this that we would go “oh, okay he must have gotten hit”.

    I’ve seen LeBron James every game here since he was a rookie. I saw Michael Jordan’s every game here since 85 and while I hated Jordan with the passion of a white hot sun, never EVER did I once see him flop like this. Now don’t get me wrong his airness had the benefit of every quick whistle that was ever blown and as Hersey Hawkins once said after a game he touches you it’s a steal you touch him it’s a foul. But Michael never begged for it like LeBron does. Jordan came of age in a time when the NBA was far more physical and tough; for God’s sake he had to go through the bad boy Pistons to get over the mountain top. But he never to the best of my memory pretended he was hit 75’ from his basket trying to draw a foul and then further to go on making an idiot of himself by not moving forward without making it more obvious by pretending to rub something that wasn’t even there.

    Why do I bring this up? Simple, first and foremost he doesn’t need this. Second there are a lot of comparisons going around about King James vs. His Airness and I want to weigh in on one thing about this.

    Michael Jordan was afraid of no one. There was no player who he would allow alter his game. Mt. Mutombo was nothing more than a vertical line he would try and scale, one of his most iconic dunks of all time is him making fools of John Starks & Charles Oakley on the side only to run at and Jump over Patrick Ewing for a dunk and a foul.

    LeBron James is intimidated by Roy Hibbert. You heard me right, I said it clearly & I’ll say it again LeBron James is intimidated by Roy Hibbert and passes away from him on almost every opportunity. Michael Jordan would never have done this, even maybe to the detriment of his team I don’t know but I know there would never be a time he wouldn’t attack him.

    Sorry I know that the above doesn’t have much to do with anything but I needed to let that out.

    Another thing when the Heat come to town here I always wonder. I know Chicago & Cleveland fans do it as well so I know we aren’t the only ones but are we really the only three fan bases that actually openly hate the Heat? I have always believed that LeBron could not understand that when he came here because even in towns that support their home teams fans generally love and appreciate him, not here, never here. Not even when we were at our worst fan wise. For whatever reason the Heat have not been able to attract the local market like they have in other city’s.

    The Heat are a very weird team to play against though as their offense starts with usually 4 of the 5 players at or above the three point line. They want to spread you out and then drive on you. This works against most teams and it works against us as well at times but it works less on us than others because most of our players are very long and the players on their team that drive are also guarded by players on our team that are not only long but also very quick laterally. I’ve often wondered how a zone would work on them but the one way to destroy a zone is to hit open shots and they do have shooters that can burn you if you let them.

    BTW, did anyone else see David West lay a hard shoulder on James drawing an offensive foul? I have a feeling from watching it that David got that foul on purpose and laid that hard shoulder on him right in front of the referee and didn’t care. I don’t know if he was sending a message or retaliating but it was kind of fun to watch.

    BTW, while our bench still needs something isn’t it nice to not have our anuses shrink because our point guard and power forward coming in off of the pine do not always lose leads and on occasion actually help give the team a boost. Wasn’t it nice to see David West be able to sit and Scola stay in there for a good amount of time in the 4th and not freak out at Frank for not getting West back in there. This is already a world of difference from last season.

    You know if you think about it 19-3 is beyond magical. But let’s break it down to even a micro schedule for a min. Do you realize that our last three games have been against the Spurs, the Thunder & the Heat and we have won 2 of those 3? How special is that? Last season if we would have went 1-2 we would have been pretty happy. The year before that 1-2 would have been thrilling and before that 0-3 would have been expected. This year is so different from any year we have ever seen with our club that almost every game is new territory for us. The thrill and wonder of actually and confidently saying that we fear no team is amazing.

    We won tonight’s game with Paul George & Georg Hill all having what I consider for them to be somewhat sub par night’s. Our big men came through and we got enough from our bench to pull this out (Lance also had a good night).

    Let’s do grades:

    Paul George: B+ Steady defense made up for tired legs and an abundance of min. (we need some wing help from the bench) that Paul has had to play. He’s only had to play Kevin Durrant and LeBron James in back to back games so that’s no big deal, yeah right. The one big difference between Durrant and George is that Paul actually is good enough on defense that he guards his man while Kevin guarded Lance and even LeBron tonight switched off of Paul a few times. Missed some shots early in the game that he normally makes but again I think nerves and a rough schedule had as much if not more to do with that than any Heat defense. It will be nice for him to have a couple of days of rest.

    David West: A 6 of 8 from the floor & 9 boards? That’s once again efficiency in action. Also I noticed tonight more than any game this season that David West was imposing himself on the game in a physical fashion. In other words he was putting a hurt on Miami whenever he could. He one time hit Mario Chalmers hard in the chest to the point where Mario was rubbing his chest running down the floor in pain. He also closed the door on the Heat at the end of the game with that running one hander from the corner. He is always a rock for us when we need him.

    Roy Hibbert: A Why is Roy special? Well a lot of reasons really but the one thing you can’t do to Roy that other teams often do to other big men is do the “hack a Roy”. That only works when your big man can’t hit a free throw, Roy on the other hand is shooting 78% from the stripe this season and is a respectable 73% shooter for his career. So there is no fouling Roy on purpose to get the ball back and in tonight’s game they made the mistake of fouling him in the act of shooting giving him several attempts at 3 point plays. Other than that we all know that Miami really only has a limited chance of guarding Roy and for whatever reason they didn’t use Haslem tonight so it makes it even tougher for them.

    Lance Stephenson: A- Good enough as he kept active and shot 50% from the field. His play to end the half was a brilliant play call from Frank for that to occur. That was the typical Vogel weave but it works so well because all three players (Hill, Stephenson & George) can all hit the shot either from the floor or can drive as Lance did on this. He also hit a three early in the 3rd to get our team really rolling and back on track. Also he was once again in full mouth mode tonight as LeBron was getting pretty upset with him in the third quarter, he really knows how to get under his skin which is always fun.

    George Hill: C Not really sure what went wrong here as I can’t say he played a bad game but he didn’t play a good game either. He only shot the ball 4 times which is probably not enough and I think he only played okay defense. Again C is kind of a neutral grade and IMO that’s kind of what George’s game was to me, neutral.

    C.J. Watson: B On the other hand I thought Watson was brilliant, in fact I really didn’t like Frank taking him out at the end of the 4th. I really like the fact that he is now attacking the basket instead of being glued to the three point line. That always makes a player so much easier to guard if all they do is hang and wait for the kick out. That behind the back dribble to make Norris Cole the star of next week’s Shaqtin a fool was breath taking. The steal wasn’t bad either.

    Luis Scola: B I think the one thing that is somewhat overlooked in Luis game is that he has actually been a very good rebounder this year. He grabbed 6 tonight to go along with his 7 points, neither of which is earth shattering but it was enough to allow David to grab a significant rest in the second half and be able to come back and pound the Heat. His ability to hit a face up Jumper I have a feeling will come up big for us against the Heat this year.

    Orlando Johnson: D Shooting slump, tried on defense which is a bonus but for whatever reason the past few games he has not been able to find the basket. We need scoring from our backup wing players so he really needs to step it up to help some more during the season so that way Paul & Lance don’t have to play so many min. every single game.

    Ian Mahinmi: F- What went wrong here? He used to at least be able to help defend the paint but that now more often than not results in a foul. He has been a problem now for a few weeks and it scares the crap out of me whenever Roy goes to the bench. God I wish we would have kept a competent 3rd big man on the roster, we could have even kept Butler as well since you can have 15 players. I used to really like Ian but lately I’ve been scouring the D league roster trying to come up with someone/ anyone who can do some emergency min.

    Another strong win for our team in a season of strong wins. Next Wednesday will be interesting as I’m sure they won’t want to lose to us twice in a row, my hope is that we show them that it doesn’t matter what they want.

    This is the kind of game that demands a rock anthem so I proudly present to you our German friends the Scorpions.




    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

    If for no other reason I think C.J. Watson is a nice get to just keep George Hill on his toes or at least make up for his lack of aggressiveness/bad nights. I think a night like this last year from George Hill would have spelled our doom against the Heat. Also, I heard from a few people that it was reported that the Heat were telling us as they were leaving "see you next week" I wonder if they know that Paul George plays better on the road sucks to be them that this can be considered a mediocre game from Mr. George. I just hope we lay it on thick against them in Miami and all the overtanned leathery twats in Miami get ticked off enough to give us the finger the way they did Noah last year. If they do I hope we just smile at them and thank them for coming to see us play.

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      Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

      Disagree about Ian solid B would be my grade, he was good IMO.


      How anyone could give him a F- is beyond me. Ian must of pissed in Peck's Wheaties.

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        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        Disagree about Ian solid B would be my grade, he was good IMO.


        How anyone could give him a F- is beyond me. Ian must of pissed in Peck's Wheaties.
        I would rather hear why you think he deserved a solid B, I think somewhere in between that is what I would say.

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          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          However that did not stop him from thrusting his head back as though he were struck in the face by a 2 x 4.
          I'm pretty sure you can hear Lance (or someone else) yell "He's faking" after this happened (didn't happen). Glad to see the refs figuring this out too.

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            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

            Ian doesn't get any calls in his favor when he is out there. His demeanor is one of "ok I am here to deflect any bad calls from Roy so I am going to take this for the team". Ian is not a super star center but he is doing well in the capacity he has been given.

            I think Ian has alot left in reserve that he hasn't shown yet and is saving it for the playoffs. At least I hope thats what it is.

            Ian is the Pacers Rodney Dangerfield this year.

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              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

              great post, I really enjoyed reading it.

              What I liked most about pgs first half was that he didnt force anything. KObe bryant or or any other star for that matter wouldve kept shooting just to prove a point, I love the lack of egos on this team
              Impossible Is Nothing

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                Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                Roy had an A+ in my book ....Poor Ian. He did have a tough game. We probably need depth there. I don't believe Solomon Jones is any worse.

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                  Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                  Roy A++
                  Smothered Chicken!

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                    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                    Late in the 3rd Lebron was on George on the wing. He did a stupid ticky tack foul (which he was holding George through the screens all game). He called to Wade and told him to guard Paul. This only gave Paul more space. When Scola hit a pick and pop Lebron came in to guard Scola to stop that. Paul again had more space and was able to hit the post entry pass.

                    The problem with the Heat is that Lebron cannot guard Roy to stop Royzilla from happening.

                    Hill deserves a D. His defense was horrid. I counted three times that Chalmers blew past him to score. But we all can agree that OJ is not working out for us. He needs to average at least .8 3 pointers a game. And he is building a brick house. His defense is good.

                    Ian wasn't an F -. He had an average first half. Good up till the point when he lost that rebound and he fouled the Turdman.

                    I have a question. At what point will Wade break down? He has missed 3 of the last 4 and he was controlled by Lance and our interior direction.

                    I heard someone on my TV say "He's faking" after Lebron got "hit". So will Lebron get fined? Someone needs to get the video montage of Lebron acting like a moron.

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                      Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                      Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                      and all the overtanned leathery twats in Miami get ticked off enough to give us the finger the way they did Noah last year.
                      I hear you man and I agree completely with you.


                      Good write-up Peck as always. Good choice for the song as well. Scorpions one of my first loves from the Rock music stage. Klaus Meine needed a haircut though
                      Never forget

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                        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                        The Heat have the best defense in the NBA outside the lane. Yes better than the Pacers.

                        They trap and trap hard on all pick and rolls and they get tons of deflections when they do this. It took the Pacers until the second half to adjust to the Heat's trapping, pressure, quickness and speed on defense. But their approach gives the Pacers a lot of trouble. They also front the post pretty much all the time and that takes an adjustment as few teams play that style anymore.

                        When we hold the ball like we did in the first half they get right into the player with the ball making it hard to move. In many ways the style the Heat play is more the style of defense played in the 90's and pre 2004. When they close out on the ball they get right into the offensive player, more than any team. And that gives us problems as it stops George Hill from starting our offense

                        But if the Pacers can get the ball into the lane either off the dribble or in the post then we are good. I would love to know our score rate when we get the ball into the paint on the Heat vs when we don't. It has to be something like 80% vs 30%. (I realize that difference probably exists against all teams, but not nearly that big of a difference.

                        People who know me know I am a defense first, second and third kind of guy. But I have said for the past 3 seasons or so that offense is the key to beaing the Heat. Get the ball inside and we are in great shape - but getting the ball inside on them is difficult, very difficult, especially for us. But our ability to do so IMO determines whether we beat them or not.
                        Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-11-2013, 10:13 AM.

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                          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                          Peck, I don't think you mentioned the West incident that most impressed me—when he fouled Lebron really hard and intentionally at mid court to stop an emerging fast break.

                          He ran into him forcefully and with no respect to the dictator. I don't think Lebron is used to that. I loved it. West sets a tone for us that is extremely important.
                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                            the Turdman.


                            I hope this sticks.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              Peck, I don't think you mentioned the West incident that most impressed me—when he fouled Lebron really hard and intentionally at mid court to stop an emerging fast break.

                              He ran into him forcefully and with no respect to the dictator. I don't think Lebron is used to that. I loved it. West sets a tone for us that is extremely important.
                              The Heat radio people were up in arms this morning about how they think that should have been a flagrant foul.
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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