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  • ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5099980

    NBA cap projection higher than thought
    By Chris Sheridan
    ESPN.com
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    NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks and other teams hoarding salary-cap space got some good news Friday when they were told at the league's Board of Governors meeting that the projected 2010-11 salary cap will be $56.1 million.
    That figure was $2 million to $3 million more than most teams had been expecting, and for the Knicks it ensures they have enough cap space this summer to sign two maximum-salary free agents.
    "That's a lot of money. That's good," said Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who attended the meeting to learn the results of the Knicks' draft position through a tiebreaker.
    Because of the worldwide economic downturn, the league had warned teams last July to expect the salary cap to be significantly lower -- perhaps as low as $51 million.
    Other teams that will be positively affected by Friday's news include the Nets, Heat, Wizards, Bulls, Clippers and Timberwolves.
    Chris Sheridan is an ESPN.com NBA senior writer.

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    Helps every team I would imagine

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      This helps more teams stay under the salary cap and gives us more options of sending a contract out without getting the same in return.
      "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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        Does this put us back under the LT threshold?

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          does this means that they are going to resing Watson and give him a long contract?
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

            Originally posted by Shade View Post
            Does this put us back under the LT threshold?
            If not under, it puts the Pacers very close to it. The luxury tax will be around $68 millions. The Pacers are about $1 million above that with rookies+Price+McRoberts/without Head+Watson. Fairly easy to find something to put them under the threshold.

            Not surprised by this. Always thought the catastrophic speech about the economic situation of the NBA was a bit out of touch with reality. From a projected 5% drop to a 0.5% drop in BRI... pretty large difference.

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              I will leave it to count55's analysis on how this will impact the Team....but ( as everyone says )...this will give us some breathing room.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...tigation041610

                With the NBA projecting a much more robust salary cap for next season than initially expected, the Players Association plans to investigate whether the league engaged in collusion, a source close to the union told Yahoo! Sports on Friday afternoon.

                After the NBA released a memo last July that warned teams the salary cap for the 2010-11 season could drop as far as $50.6 million, the union countered the projection could be a mechanism to scare teams from signing free agents.

                “A memo of this nature can have a chilling effect on the market for free agent and rookie signings,” Hunter said last July. “If it later turns out that the league did not have a good faith basis for making these projections, the NBPA will pursue all available legal remedies, including a treble damages claim for collusion.”


                NBA Commissioner David Stern told teams at the league’s board of governor’s meeting on Friday in New York that revenue hadn’t decreased as much as expected and the projected cap for next season is $56.1 million. That’s still a drop from this season’s $57.7 million, but not nearly as much as the league initially projected.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  “A memo of this nature can have a chilling effect on the market for free agent and rookie signings,” Hunter said last July. “If it later turns out that the league did not have a good faith basis for making these projections, the NBPA will pursue all available legal remedies, including a treble damages claim for collusion.”
                  Good Lord. The entire rest of the world was losing houses, jobs, investments, tightening their belts, and going through major attitude adjustments. The NBPA is going to get pissy that the NBA decided to issue a conservative warning based on the rest of the economy?

                  You know, I think it means sports figures aren't any more exempt from the "if your income is 7 figures or more you just don't quite get it" mentality than the owners are.
                  BillS

                  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                  Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    I will leave it to count55's analysis on how this will impact the Team....but ( as everyone says )...this will give us some breathing room.
                    Not really. Count has our payroll for next year at $65.7m. That's for 12 players.
                    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=46729 Post #29.

                    Counts projections for next year were a $53m cap, and a $65m tax line. Both will move up about three million if the new projections hold.

                    If the tax line moves to $68m you would think we would have about $2.3m to sign 2 or 3 players. The rub is we have the 10th pick in the draft and guess how much that player will make. Just about $2.3m. That's not counting second round players. So we are right at the tax line if it comes in as projected.
                    Last edited by Will Galen; 04-16-2010, 04:55 PM.

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                      Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                      Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                      Not really. Count has our payroll for next year at $65.7m. That's for 12 players.

                      Counts projections for next year were a $53m cap, and a $65m tax line. Both will move up about three million if the new projections hold.

                      If the tax line moves to $68m you would think we would have about $2.3m to sign 2 or 3 players. The rub is we have the 10th pick in the draft and guess how much that player will make. Just about $2.3m. That's not counting second round players. So we are right at the tax line if it comes in as projected.
                      How many Players does that include with guaranteed Contracts?

                      I assume that includes picking up McRoberts unguaranteed Contract?
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        How many Players does that include with guaranteed Contracts?

                        I assume that includes picking up McRoberts unguaranteed Contract?
                        Yes, but we have to have 14 players, and McRoberts won't even make a million dollars. I think the Pacers will pick his option up.

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                          Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                          Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                          Not really. Count has our payroll for next year at $65.7m. That's for 12 players.
                          http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=46729 Post #29.

                          Counts projections for next year were a $53m cap, and a $65m tax line. Both will move up about three million if the new projections hold.

                          If the tax line moves to $68m you would think we would have about $2.3m to sign 2 or 3 players. The rub is we have the 10th pick in the draft and guess how much that player will make. Just about $2.3m. That's not counting second round players. So we are right at the tax line if it comes in as projected.
                          I think the point is that clearing $1M or thereabouts is a LOT easier than clearing $3-4M.

                          You can clear $1M of salary just by being on the high side of an allowed trade with a team over the cap, given the 125% rule and the other team's own better position in regards to the LT.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                            Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                            Yes, but we have to have 14 players, and McRoberts won't even make a million dollars. I think the Pacers will pick his option up.
                            the minimum roster size is 13 now. so if worst comes to worst, we could just add the 10th pick and we're done.

                            i imagine we'll look at trades to get a bit more flexibility though. maybe murphy or ford for a slightly smaller expiring contract? as cordobes says it shouldn't be too hard to make that sort of move.

                            depending on how we do, we might even be able to offer watson a better than minimum contract. though i'm hoping we could get a better pg in trade.

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                              Re: ESPN - NBA cap projection higher than thought

                              The salary cap is estimated at 56.1M and the LT is typically about 12.2M more putting it at 68.3M for next year. Our current salary obligation for next year is 65.7M. Our first rounder will cost us 1.865M and the second rounders at 473,604. This puts us right at about $68.5M, or just slightly over the cap. If Dallas does not send us their draft pick this year, we will be slightly under it looks like. Sorry these are just estimates

                              65,705,857 (sham sports) + 1,865,300 (hoops hype) + 473, 604 + 473,604 (Larry Coon's figure for minimum salary first year player) = 68,518,365


                              68,518,365 - 68,300,000 (NBA LT estimate) = 218,365 over the luxury tax amount
                              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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