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Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

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  • Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

    Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers
    Written by Peck

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    Tonight’s game offered us a look at several things but one thing it did not offer was a true glimpse of where our team stands right now as this Clipper team was not whole in general, inexperienced specifically and tired in reality.

    We enter the abridged version of Odd Thoughts: Bullet Point style as frankly there just was not much to take away from this game. We won so don’t get me wrong that is great but this is one of those games if you didn’t win we would be wanting to burn someone in effigy, if not in actuality.

    • Danny Granger is playing the best defense he has played in years. I mean if you didn’t actually watch him tonight you missed something as he shut Eric Gordon down and was a virtual pain to whoever came to his side of the floor. Nice to have Danny back on track as an overall player and not a chucker.
    • Roy Hibbert didn’t start off so swell but eventually picked it up, well after he pulled the Spalding tattoo out of his forehead that Gordon gave him with a nasty in your face jam. But once Roy recovered he had a stretch in the second quarter where he was perfect from the field. He made some bad passes tonight but overall he had a decent game and considering DeAndre Jordan was shooting 78% from the field prior to the game I think Roy did a very good job helping him drop that % some.
    • Blake Griffin is huge, athletic, strong and will be a force in this league for years to come and yet he could not budge Tyler Hansbrough. That’s right in their actual head to head matchups (which were limited) Tyler more than held his ground on the defensive end and in fact strength vs. strength Tyler was the immovable object. Does not mean this will be the norm but for tonight Blake had no advantage at all.
    • Eric Gordon needs a new basketball home and I have just the place in mind for him. Young, athletic, can shoot, can defend, can pass he just needs a better team to be part of. Eric your Indianapolis roots are calling you. Most teams this would be out of the question but these are the Clippers were talking about here so I am certain that Sterling will want an expiring or two before long. Paging Mr. Bird & Mr. Morway to the white courtesy phone.
    • Brandon Rush blocking 5 shots is just unreal in a way. There was a play in the second half that in all honesty I can’t remember which Clipper did this but they got the ball away from the Pacers ran the court but both Paul George & Brandon Rush were back. George caused him to pull up before he wanted to and Rush got the block. I kept thinking during that time how nice it was to actually have athletic long players who cared about defense to be on the floor. I’m not a Rush fanatic by the way and when he scores less than 7 points a game I usually range between forgetting he is on the floor to blood curdling rage, but man when he scores and plays defense he is one heck of a player.
    • Foster came in and gave very solid work in 12 minutes of play. Came in and has already hit more jump shots than Josh has all season long as it turned out, who would have thought we would look to Jeff as the scorer between the two. Anyway Solid production, professional demeanor and sadly probably a lot of sore muscles right now. I think they used him tonight and are going to use Solomon Jones vs. the Magic on Saturday. I just don’t think Jeff’s back can take going against Dwight, not that Solomon is going to do any kind of job either but I think it is probably a health issue. Who knows though they will probably go through both by the end of the night.
    • A.J. Price is really making it hard to accept him in street cloths. Look I have not been down on T.J. at all this year as he is giving you all he can and at times has provided decent defense. But dang Price just fits our system so well that it is hard to accept that he is in street cloths all the time. His 6-1 turnover ratio is impressive not so much for the few turnovers he got but for the fact that he got 6 assist in a system that is not designed for a point guard to get assist. I really hope the front office is working the phone lines right now because once D.C. comes back there are going to be lots of people on the Pacers Digest that are going to be very upset about A.J. Price getting DNP-CD’s and at this point in time who could blame them.
    • I know that Sekou Smith of NBA.com was rooting for a dunk off between Josh McRoberts (or McBob as he has been given permission to call him) & Blake Griffin (BTW does he have a nickname) and he probably had to be a little disappointed that overall neither had anything massive but I guess Josh’s one handed alley oop dunk probably was the best of the two of the night. However hands down Eric Gordon’s dunk on Big Roy was the best.

    Ok some quick hits before we get out of here.

    My boys up in area55 had the Darnell Hillman fathead out tonight and I loved it.

    Tonight’s random comment from a new person behind me was as follows. “When will they put Smits in the game?” To which the person who was with him replied “Rik’s been retired for a few years, he and Reggie retired together”. I just shook my head and could not bring myself to correct them.

    Eric Gordon’s dunk on Roy caused Roy to send out this tweet after the game. “Good win but I got dunked on pretty bad. Wow. That’s not a good look. Gonna get clowned by my teammates tomorrow for that one.”


    *beeps*

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    Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

    1-11 start will do that to you.
    I didn't even feel that we played very well.
    They just seem to be a down team right now, and this was a back-to-back after an extremely tense loss.

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      Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

      I saw that look on Griffin's face after Hans sent him to the floor (by barely glancing him with his shoulder, but that's enough from Hans to send you flying).

      If Hans becomes consistent with regular minutes, he will soon be a serious force and presence on the court. And develop a rep.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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        Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

        Originally posted by ballism View Post
        1-11 start will do that to you.
        I didn't even feel that we played very well.
        They just seem to be a down team right now, and this was a back-to-back after an extremely tense loss.
        Way too many young guys playing. I mean three rookies started for them tonight. The other two starters are the inexperience DeAndre Jordan and third year pro Eric Gordon. It's really tough to win with that many young guys playing big minutes, no matter how talented they may be. And I really don't think they are a well coached team. They go from crappy Mike Dunleavy to crappy Vinny Del Negro. Hard to get a good read on Del Negro when so many young guys are integral parts of the team.

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          Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

          I don't know have a strong opinion on Del Negro, the players always seem to support him, which is important for young teams imo. But I agree, with this start, I think they will have to think about coach change soon enough. You just can't let a bunch of rookies to get down on themselves and lose energy for full season.

          Wow at their rookies though, Griffin, Bledsoe, Aminu... All can be very good. And DeAndre Jordan, he's no rookie, but they got him in 2nd round just a few years ago, wow! And Gordon of course, although he seemed to be demoralised more than anyone yesterday.

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            Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

            Originally posted by ballism View Post
            I don't know have a strong opinion on Del Negro, the players always seem to support him, which is important for young teams imo. But I agree, with this start, I think they will have to think about coach change soon enough. You just can't let a bunch of rookies to get down on themselves and lose energy for full season.

            Wow at their rookies though, Griffin, Bledsoe, Aminu... All can be very good. And DeAndre Jordan, he's no rookie, but they got him in 2nd round just a few years ago, wow! And Gordon of course, although he seemed to be demoralised more than anyone yesterday.
            Yeah their talent level is really high. If developed correctly, plus whatever young guy they get with their high lottery pick this year, they could be a force in a year or two. Of course we have said the same thing about the Clippers for forever now, so I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Just think if they got the top pick again this year. Harrison Barnes added to this core...goodness.

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              Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

              They better have a high talent level. They've been picking top five for the past 30 years...

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                Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                Originally posted by Indra View Post
                They better have a high talent level. They've been picking top five for the past 30 years...
                That's not entirely true, as they've spent most of their time at 6-10 pick range, not to mention wasting a number of good picks in trades. But I hear you, they had their share of picks in the past 30 years
                This however is the first stretch that i remember where they actually stockpiled a bunch of their own talented picks. As opposed to trading most of them away for older players. Good for them if they don't screw it up.

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                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                  Tonight’s random comment from a new person behind me was as follows. “When will they put Smits in the game?” To which the person who was with him replied “Rik’s been retired for a few years, he and Reggie retired together”. I just shook my head and could not bring myself to correct them.
                  I take that as a small encouraging sign for the Pacers. People in the building who obviously haven't followed the Pacers for a very long time, for a game against a perennial doormat, and on a weeknight to boot. That indicates that at least some traction is being gained amongst casual fans at this point, even though they probably didn't pay much, if anything, for those tickets. For a while now it has been difficult to even give away tickets to a game like that to people who are not avid followers of the Pacers.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                    This game was ugly. There were a number of lineups on the floor where I wondered if anybody wanted to shoot, was able to shoot, or even knew what shooting was. The defense was strong once they settled in, but until things finally managed to break free I thought we were going to play "stand around and look at the pretty red uniforms" on the offensive end all night.
                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                      Originally posted by ballism View Post
                      That's not entirely true, as they've spent most of their time at 6-10 pick range, not to mention wasting a number of good picks in trades. But I hear you, they had their share of picks in the past 30 years
                      This however is the first stretch that i remember where they actually stockpiled a bunch of their own talented picks. As opposed to trading most of them away for older players. Good for them if they don't screw it up.
                      I was exaggerating slightly, but you know what I mean If they play their cards right they can definitely become a very good team.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                        Originally posted by Indra View Post
                        I was exaggerating slightly, but you know what I mean If they play their cards right they can definitely become a very good team.
                        You'll have to excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

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                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                          By playing their cards right do you mean the owner holding aces and eights?

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                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                            I'm ecstatic about Granger's improved defense. Many seem to forget that this is the same guy who trained intensely with Artest while he was here and was the guy who guarded the opponent's best player early in his career. He's been capable of doing more than being just a scorer or a jumpshooter.

                            It's terrific to see this type of defensive effort coming from the team's top scorer. I think that tends to inspire teammates to try harder on defense. Being able to harass both of the opposing team's wings simultaneously (with Rush and Granger, with George and D. Jones available when they rest) could be vital against certain teams. Remember that lots of scoring in this league comes from the wing positions. It's nice to have the tools to do something about that.

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                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Taking the wind out of the Clippers [The Front Page]

                              The real question is: Can Ben Gordon play defense like that?

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