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11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

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  • 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

    BEAT THE BARNEYS


    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: B. Salvatore, K. Cutler, P. Fraher

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Toronto Notes
    Television: FSI / TSN
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / Sportsnet 590 The FAN
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    3-4
    Home: 2-0
    East: 2-2
    1-6
    Away: 0-3
    East: 0-3
    Nov 14
    Nov 16
    Nov 18
    Nov 19
    8:00pm
    7:00pm
    12:00pm
    7:00pm

    HIBBERT
    WEST
    GEORGE
    STEPHENSON
    HILL
    VALANCIUNAS
    BARGNANI
    McGUIRE
    DEROZAN
    CALDERON


    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)




    WIZARDS
    Alan Anderson - left sprained foot (out)
    Landry Fields - right hand/wrist injury (out)
    Kyle Lowry - right sprained ankle (out)



    Tim Donahue: Danny Granger Made His Teammates Better

    Consider the following chart:


    The picture represents the 2011-12 +/- per 48 minutes for each of nine key rotation
    players for the Pacers on that squad. The blue bar is for when they were playing
    with Danny Granger, the red is when the Captain was on the bench. Without Danny,
    every single player’s +/- dropped, and the overall average was 11.4 points per 48
    minutes.

    Of course, that speaks as much about unit performance, as it does individual. It
    makes sense that the team performance would drop when one of its two or three
    most accomplished players was not on the floor. More evidence of Granger’s
    positive impact on last year’s team can be seen in the Pacers shooting performance.


    The Pacers shot a higher percentage in 11 of the 14 shooting zones on this chart
    with Danny on the floor. Overall, the team’s eFG% dropped from 49.0% to 44.5%
    when Granger went to the bench last year. And this wasn’t just Danny being an
    above average shooter.

    Over the first half of last season, Danny Granger suffered mightily from the floor,
    posting an eFG% of only 44.3%. Still the Pacers shot better in 10 of the 14 zones,
    their eFG% was 4.4% lower – 43.5% vs. 47.9% – with Granger on the bench. Again,
    this is team performance, and not inconsistent with the overall squad talent declining
    with anyone replacing Granger.

    However, there’s actually some evidence that the individual performance of most of
    the players was improved by...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


    Gameday: Raptors @ Pacers Nov. 13

    It’s going to be a relatively quick pre-game today since we’re on a back-to-back and,
    well, we’re all probably a little exhausted from last night’s triple overtime loss.

    As it is, the team travelled late to Indiana and will play the Pacers, who defeated the
    Raptors on opening night, 90-88. As I mentioned in my post-game, that was a loss
    under better circumstances, with Lowry healthy, able-bodied wing players in the
    lineup, and with the benefit of rest and a lively home crowd. Instead, the team will
    be without Lowry, Fields and Anderson once again, tired from a travel night and a
    triple overtime game that saw Jose Calderon log 50 minutes and DeMar DeRozan
    log 60.

    By the way, before I jump into the breakdown I should note that as per the latest
    news I have, Lowry did NOT travel with the team, but he tweeted, “Indy! This being
    injured is for the birds!” which could be taken as him having made the trip. Fields
    and Double-A are also not expected to play, as of the latest chatter on Twitter, but
    please comment if this news changes before tip-off.

    Tale of the Tape, 2011-12

    Offensive Rating:
    Toronto 103.9 (11th), Indiana 97.3 (26th)

    Defensive Rating:
    Indiana 99.5 (7th), Toronto 108.6 (27th)

    Pace:
    Toronto 92.3 (19th), Indiana 90.3 (27th)

    Strength:
    Toronto – turnovers (4th in TO%, 6th in Opponent TO%)
    Indiana – rebounding (5th in OReb%, 9th in DReb%)

    Weakness:
    Toronto – fouling (30th in Oponnent FTA/FGA, 12th in FTA/FGA)
    Indiana – scoring (29th in eFG%)


    Positional Breakdown

    Point Guard – Advantage: Slightly Pacers
    Calderon played a great game last night, but I am not hopeful about how he’ll play a
    night after logging 50 minutes. Hopefully John Lucas broke his slump going three for
    six last night and hitting a huge three late, because he’ll be relied on to provide
    adequate back-up minutes. For the Pacers, Hill is seriously overpaid but has been
    scoring at a steady clip so far this season now that he’s “the guy.” Augustin has been
    terrible adjusting to his new squad, shooting just 18%. If Calderon can somehow look
    fresh, you might give the nod to the Raptors, but that seems unlikely.

    Wings – Advantage: Wash
    With Danny Granger out, the Pacers have been struggling on the wings and have
    resorted to rotating the starter beside George. While none have stood out, George
    is a personal favorite who is oozing with potential and has already learned how to
    contribute in other ways when the shots aren’t dropping. DeRozan has been at his
    best of late, save for his shot selection late last night, but coming off of a 60-min
    outing he could be tired/exhausted/zombified. Neither of the benches inspire much
    confidence, so we call it a wash.

    Bigs – Advantage: Pacers
    West took it to Bargnani badly in the second half of the opener, and you can probably
    expect more of the same tonight. Hibbert has been struggling significantly to lead “his”
    team, but against Valanciunas...CONTINUE READING AT RAPTORS REPUBLIC


    [


    Pacers
    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows


    Raptors
    Doug Smith @SmithRaps
    Holly MacKenzie @stackmack
    J.E. Skeets @jeskeets
    Adam Francis @raptorshq
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

    I expect nothing short of us coming out, imposing our will and stepping on their necks early.

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    • #3
      Wow it's crazy seeing Stephenson as a starter.

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      • #4
        Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

        Originally posted by Ctman89 View Post
        Wow it's crazy seeing Stephenson as a starter.
        He has certainly earned it though.

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        • #5
          Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

          Raptors played a 3OT game yesterday.

          Pacers should really try and push the tempo to wear these guys out quickly. If their legs get tired, they'll start to miss a lot of shots.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • #6
            Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

            We have to win this game, Toronto played yesterday a 3OT game vs Utah.

            Tonight Lance will score a career high in points

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            • #7
              Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

              Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
              He has certainly earned it though.
              Happy for him. I was wrong about his ability to be a shot in the arm. It will be nice to see what he does as he becomes more comfortable. The added 3 point shot (so far) is really opening things up for him as well.

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              • #8
                Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                Happy for him. I was wrong about his ability to be a shot in the arm. It will be nice to see what he does as he becomes more comfortable. The added 3 point shot (so far) is really opening things up for him as well.
                Agreed, his shooting has been the biggest surprise for me.

                He is still making some silly mistakes when he tries to force it and do too much, especially off the dribble going into the lane.

                However, his shooting and playmaking abilities have been superb.

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                • #9
                  Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                  What happened to kyle lowry? huge out if he's not playing
                  Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                    We should be facing a tired Toronto team without their best player.

                    If we find a way to lose to lose this I don't know what to say
                    //

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                    • #11
                      Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                      Pacers should be able to destroy them, I expect a career high for Paul George.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #12
                        Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                        Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                        We should be facing a tired Toronto team without their best player.

                        If we find a way to lose to lose this I don't know what to say
                        They still have Bargnani and Derosan...it's not like we're playing the Bobcats, a team we would walk right ov..

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                        • #13
                          Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                          I just want to see better ball movement, better passing and less turnovers. If we can win this game convincingly I have faith that we will slowly start to turn the corner.
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • #14
                            Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                            Going to the game thanks to Pacerscolt1125!!! Go Pacers....I'm going to be there when Paul George and Lance Stephenson have career games!!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: 11/13/2012 Game Thread #8: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                              Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                              What happened to kyle lowry? huge out if he's not playing
                              Ankle issue. Sounds bad, actually. He's traveling somewhere to get the original prognosis confirmed, which a week later is a bad sign.

                              What I want to see is Roy shut down Jonas. JV had a big impact on the last game, and if he's able to push Roy around/clean the glass, it could keep them in it.

                              EDIT:

                              The franchise could really use a big exciting win to drum up some interest locally. With the Colts cruising towards the playoffs, the Pacers need to show they are "worth" investing in, both with their time and money. Hopefully a dominating performance tonight would spark more interest among the locals.
                              Last edited by Derek2k3; 11-13-2012, 07:26 PM.

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