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  • Should Hansbrough start?

    No question Tyler plays significantly better when he starts. Could also mean a fresher David West closing out games
    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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    Nope.

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    • #3
      Re: Should Hansbrough start?

      No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

      The "what have you done for me lately" brigade came out REAL fast for West.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #4
        Re: Should Hansbrough start?

        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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        • #5
          Re: Should Hansbrough start?

          noooooooooo

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            • #7
              Re: Should Hansbrough start?

              From the game thread, because I suppose it was only a matter of time:

              From my perspective, trying to spin 4-14 as not a negative thing is ridiculous. What he shot from the free throw line is completely irrelevant to that conversation. I'm not sure if this applies to your post, but I know this issue has confused people in the past, so I'm going to repeat this, because you might be confused about this as well. When someone misses a shot, and gets fouled, that shot does not count as an attempt. He did not go 4-14 because they were fouling him, and he was converting those shots into points at the free throw line. He went 4-14 because he missed a bunch of shots, and also made a bunch of free throws. They are unrelated. If you want to say Hansbrough had a fine game filling in for West last night, that is perfect. He did. He works hard, and occasionally even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

              It is the bolded part of the above quote that I have a serious problem with. Hansbrough has a decent game against a sub-20 win team, and all the sudden we need to cut our ties with David West and roll with Hansbrough/Pendergraph as our PF rotation going forward? Give me a break. We just had a thread about David West being the best PF in the league, and now you think we need to move on with Hansbrough instead because he had a double-double when he shot less than 30%? I don't give a damn how much you love Brad Pitt and fat Jonah Hill, that doesn't make a bit of sense.

              If Hansbrough is worthy of replacing our should have been All-Star, and absolutely vital leader for this young team, why can't he do it on a consistent basis against anything other than the worst teams in the league? He's scored double digits in 15 games this year. Look at the teams he has done it against.

              11/02: Charlotte
              11/14: Milwaukee
              11/21: New Orleans
              12/05: Portland
              12/15: Detroit
              12/28: Phoenix
              01/04: Boston
              01/16: Orlando
              01/30: Detroit
              02/01: Miami
              02/13: Charlotte
              02/20: New York
              03/08: Orlando
              03/18: Cleveland
              03/19: Orlando

              Just four of those games came against teams better than .500 for the season. He's had more double digit scoring games against teams (Orlando and Charlotte) that do not even have 20 wins yet, than he does against teams that have won more than they have lost. Yeah, I guess I'm just not quite as ready to put David ****ing West out to pasture, for Tyler Hansbrough and Jeff Pendergraph, as you are.

              Honestly what disappoints me about Hansbrough the most, is that I thought he would be perfect for his role on this team. I envisioned him being the ideal guy to bring off the bench and just simply get buckets, because that's the only thing he knows. I was obviously completely wrong. For some reason, he is apparently unable or unwilling to play that role. I consider it pretty faulty logic to think that because he sucks in his role that best serves the team, we should just change things up and make him the starter, because he plays better in that role. No. We keep David West, because again, he's David ****ing West, and we find someone else who is able, or willing to play the role that Hansbrough evidently is not.

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                Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                Sure, why not. Ty does play better when he starts. If we can keep West down to 20-25 minutes per game he won't just be fresh in the 4th quarter, but he'll be fresh in the locker room right after the game.
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                But just because a certain player plays better as a starter (as most do) that does not mean he should start, unless it is better for the whole team. It is better for the whole team for West to play every minute he can physically play. In the playoffs that means right at 40 minutes per.

                More serious question. I see three possible aspects as to why Tyler has played so well.

                1) he is just better when he starts
                2) he plays better with the starters/better players
                3) Magic and Cavs bigs are so bad anyone would have played well

                Likely a combination of all three. But if it is more number 2 than number 1, then it might be worth it if Frank tried to play Tyler more with the starters (that doesn't mean start him and that doesn't mean reduce West's minutes at all)
                Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-20-2013, 10:26 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                  Nope. But he and Ian should be more involved when they are in the game.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                    I'm not against giving West extended rest for the playoffs, but not when they're both healthy and ready to go.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                      Hell no.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                        Although with the way Lance has played the past few games, maybe we should start Tyler at small forward and move Lance to the bench. (slide PG to the 2)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          From the game thread, because I suppose it was only a matter of time:

                          From my perspective, trying to spin 4-14 as not a negative thing is ridiculous. What he shot from the free throw line is completely irrelevant to that conversation. I'm not sure if this applies to your post, but I know this issue has confused people in the past, so I'm going to repeat this, because you might be confused about this as well. When someone misses a shot, and gets fouled, that shot does not count as an attempt. He did not go 4-14 because they were fouling him, and he was converting those shots into points at the free throw line. He went 4-14 because he missed a bunch of shots, and also made a bunch of free throws. They are unrelated. If you want to say Hansbrough had a fine game filling in for West last night, that is perfect. He did. He works hard, and occasionally even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

                          It is the bolded part of the above quote that I have a serious problem with. Hansbrough has a decent game against a sub-20 win team, and all the sudden we need to cut our ties with David West and roll with Hansbrough/Pendergraph as our PF rotation going forward? Give me a break. We just had a thread about David West being the best PF in the league, and now you think we need to move on with Hansbrough instead because he had a double-double when he shot less than 30%? I don't give a damn how much you love Brad Pitt and fat Jonah Hill, that doesn't make a bit of sense.

                          If Hansbrough is worthy of replacing our should have been All-Star, and absolutely vital leader for this young team, why can't he do it on a consistent basis against anything other than the worst teams in the league? He's scored double digits in 15 games this year. Look at the teams he has done it against.

                          11/02: Charlotte
                          11/14: Milwaukee
                          11/21: New Orleans
                          12/05: Portland
                          12/15: Detroit
                          12/28: Phoenix
                          01/04: Boston
                          01/16: Orlando
                          01/30: Detroit
                          02/01: Miami
                          02/13: Charlotte
                          02/20: New York
                          03/08: Orlando
                          03/18: Cleveland
                          03/19: Orlando

                          Just four of those games came against teams better than .500 for the season. He's had more double digit scoring games against teams (Orlando and Charlotte) that do not even have 20 wins yet, than he does against teams that have won more than they have lost. Yeah, I guess I'm just not quite as ready to put David ****ing West out to pasture, for Tyler Hansbrough and Jeff Pendergraph, as you are.

                          Honestly what disappoints me about Hansbrough the most, is that I thought he would be perfect for his role on this team. I envisioned him being the ideal guy to bring off the bench and just simply get buckets, because that's the only thing he knows. I was obviously completely wrong. For some reason, he is apparently unable or unwilling to play that role. I consider it pretty faulty logic to think that because he sucks in his role that best serves the team, we should just change things up and make him the starter, because he plays better in that role. No. We keep David West, because again, he's David ****ing West, and we find someone else who is able, or willing to play the role that Hansbrough evidently is not.
                          What you envisioned for Tyler isn't necessarily what the Pacers envisioned for Tyler so you're idea of what his role should be is a little flawed. Tyler is what he is, an energy and hustle guy off the bench. He does that quite well in my opinion, everyone knew he was undersized heading into the draft.
                          "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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                            Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                            It really depends on what you hope to gain by it. If you think Hansbrough can be more effective playing his normal amount of minutes but doing it from the starting lineup, then it could make some sense. Hansbrough goes into a unit where he can focus more on cleaning up loose balls/scoring around the rim/getting to the line. And West would get a larger percentage of his minutes with the bench, which means the Pacers would always have a post threat on the floor (as opposed to now, where the Pacers have times with 2 post players and times with 0 on the floor).

                            But if West's minutes are limited by it, then it becomes a bad move. We've seen very little sign that West is tired at the end of games, so there is no reason to limit his minutes. And you never drop minutes from the superior player in West just to benefit the inferior player in Hansbrough.

                            Plus, in the playoffs the arrangement would break down anyway. West will be playing so many minutes that it's not feasible for him to come off the bench. The only way for a big man to play 35 minutes plus and get proper rest during a game is to start. And so Tyler just has to get used to coming off the bench.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Should Hansbrough start?

                              I like Tyler, but no you cannot sit David West for him.
                              "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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