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Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

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  • Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...t|IndyStar.com

    Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts against Patriots


    The winless Indianapolis Colts are making a change at quarterback, replacing Curtis Painter with veteran Dan Orlovsky for Sunday's game against the New England Patriots.

    “Curtis Painter will not start this game,” Colts head coach Jim Caldwell said this afternoon. “Dan Orlovsky will. After evaluation and taking a real good look at it, I think Curtis had a couple of weeks to really get it under his belt. We had two solid weeks in terms of our off-week, and then going into the ballgame. He did some things better, but overall, obviously,(it was) not quite what we were looking for. So we will make a change in that particular area as well.”


    It will be Orlovsky's first start since the 2008 season when he played for the 0-16 Detroit Lions.


    Painter replaced the injured Kerry Collins late in a Week 3 loss to Pittsburgh. Painter started the next seven games and played well early but then had four straight games with a quarterback rating below 51.0.


    Caldwell said he tried to take the patient approach with the former Purdue standout. But Orlovsky has been showing improvement.


    “We’ve always tried to, I think, have a little patience where we can,” Caldwell said. “He’s been working at it and certainly been getting himself ready, and I think he’s going to be fine in that area. But we do have patience where we have time.”


    The struggles had fans clamoring for a change heading into the bye week, but coach Jim Caldwell stayed with Painter on Sunday against Carolina. After another slow start, Painter rallied the Colts and had them in scoring position twice in the final five minutes. He threw two interceptions in the end zone.

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    Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

    We are in good hands guys: He is a professional loser. This will be his first start since the Lions' 0-16 season. Andrew Luck, start scouting Indy real estate.

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      Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

      Originally posted by cdash View Post
      We are in good hands guys: He is a professional loser. This will be his first start since the Lions' 0-16 season. Andrew Luck, start scouting Indy real estate.
      I'm on it. Thanks.

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      • #4
        Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

        Has a team ever started three quarterbacks in a single season who are as bad as Collins, Painter, and Orlovsky?

        This is a serious question.

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          Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

          Originally posted by Andrew_Luck View Post
          I'm on it. Thanks.
          I know some realtors that I can connect you to.

          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          Has a team ever started three quarterbacks in a single season who are as bad as Collins, Painter, and Orlovsky?

          This is a serious question.
          As bad? Matter of opinion but I think the 2008 Lions had 3 different QB's starting(Orlovsky/Kitna/Hill)?

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          • #6
            Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

            Hey, they're all miserable QBs, but they at least could have let Orlovsky get a home start in against the lowly Panthers, and maybe given an outside shot at our only win of the year. Nah, we'll make run you out there for your first start on the road against the Pats. Thanks for nothing.
            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

            -Emiliano Zapata

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            • #7
              Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

              Did that article describe Painter as a "former Purdue standout"? This guy?:

              Painter benched as Purdue loses to Penn State (2008)
              The loss left Painter with an 0-9 record against ranked teams in his career, and Tiller has lost 15 straight against ranked opponents.

              http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/30476039.html
              Source: WNDU

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              • #8
                Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                Hey, they're all miserable QBs, but they at least could have let Orlovsky get a home start in against the lowly Panthers, and maybe given an outside shot at our only win of the year. Nah, we'll make run you out there for your first start on the road against the Pats. Thanks for nothing.

                Yep. Orlovsky would have had the bye week to prepare for what was easily the most winnable game left on the schedule. The only reason you start Painter is because you want to give yourself the best chance of losing. That's the only thing that could explain it. By this point, it's clear that Painter is horrible and they certainly didn't need another game to convey that message. The only rational explanation for Painter starting, IMHO, is that they didn't really want to win that game. Now by no means am I saying that they told the players to dog it or anything like that. But they know that Painter blows and that starting him practically guarantees losing. Orlovsky might blow too, but there is at least a chance that he plays better than Painter with two weeks of preparation and if he did, we could have won that Panthers game. I mean, it would be impossible for him to be any worse than Painter is.

                Hey, I don't have a problem with losing because I want us to get the number 1 pick, whether it's to draft Luck or trade it for a package of assets. I could care less about a meaningless win in this miserable season. So if they think that starting Painter for the Panthers game helps ensure that we get the first pick then I'm on board with that. If you start Painter (who is clearly awful) instead of giving Orlovsky two weeks to prepare for a winnable game then you aren't a team who is trying your best to win a football game. Again, no problem with that, but I think it's the truth.
                Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-29-2011, 11:10 PM.

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                  Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                  Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                  Hey, they're all miserable QBs, but they at least could have let Orlovsky get a home start in against the lowly Panthers, and maybe given an outside shot at our only win of the year. Nah, we'll make run you out there for your first start on the road against the Pats. Thanks for nothing.
                  Yep and just last week Painter was their guy

                  I don't like Painter dating back from Purdue but really they gutted him to begin with when he was trotted out after that infamous decision a couple years back and have jerked him and to a lesser extent Orlovsky ever since.

                  At this point Jeff George wouldn't be much of a difference.

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                    Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                    Did that article describe Painter as a "former Purdue standout"? This guy?:

                    Painter benched as Purdue loses to Penn State (2008)
                    The loss left Painter with an 0-9 record against ranked teams in his career, and Tiller has lost 15 straight against ranked opponents.

                    http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/30476039.html
                    Source: WNDU


                    Ah WNDU to be fair they say that about players of other Indiana area schools but they never really mean any of it.

                    It used to be owned by Notre Dame and pretty much is devoted to ND (still) they rarely pay much attention to other schools to even notice who stands out and who really doesn't(Painter)

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                      Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                      Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                      Ah WNDU to be fair they say that about players of other Indiana area schools but they never really mean any of it.

                      It used to be owned by Notre Dame and pretty much is devoted to ND (still) they rarely pay much attention to other schools to even notice who stands out and who really doesn't(Painter)
                      That was the Indy Star calling Painter a standout. WNDU was talking about him getting benched and having an 0-9 career record against ranked teams. Well, at least he's consistent.

                      Perhaps they have him confused with that Brees guy...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        That was the Indy Star calling Painter a standout. WNDU was talking about him getting benched and having an 0-9 career record against ranked teams. Well, at least he's consistent.

                        Perhaps they have him confused with that Brees guy...


                        Yeah but in their broadcasts they talk about these players as standouts(except they really aren't most of the time)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                          It's about ****ing time.

                          Might as well see if Dan is worth keeping around next season. We already know Curtis isn't.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                            Straight tank if you ask me, not starting Orlovsky last week. I mean, make the QB change when you're coming up on road games in NE & Balt? Just brilliant.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                              Re: Dan Orlovsky to start at QB for Colts vs Pats

                              Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                              Straight tank if you ask me, not starting Orlovsky last week. I mean, make the QB change when you're coming up on road games in NE & Balt? Just brilliant.
                              Then again... Why make the change at all for tanking purposes? Painter has shown he's more than capable of losing any game.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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