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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Reasons to Celebrate America

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  • Reasons to Celebrate America

    Here's an appreciative, though materialistic, article about American ingenuity from the BBC

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8134410.stm


    Any other thoughts?
    And I won't be here to see the day
    It all dries up and blows away
    I'd hang around just to see
    But they never had much use for me
    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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    I think one of the best things about America is that you can buy so much **** 24/7. One of the only things that bothered me living overseas was that stuff closed early and not a whole lot was open on the weekends. Yeah, it is good for the people that work those types of jobs but damn!

    There is a downside to the 24/7 thing to but that is for a different board.

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      Re: Reasons to Celebrate America

      While space travel and electical light get a footnote and are presumed to be a piece of cake to invent...the author focuses on mostly meaningless inventions.

      Yes, this American does feel fat and sassy in my comfortable A/C drinking my ice cold coke these days...so I suppose he got that one right.

      Certainly I feel fortunate to have valet parking so I don't need to walk my lazy American rear across the parking lot.

      I also feel fortunate for the Declaration of Independence and the fact I can pursue happiness performing a pointless feat like barnstorming.

      The food though, is the best. Chewing gum and Cracker Jax to rot the teeth...and processed American cheese to fill my arteries. Ah, I just can't take all these compliments from the Brits.

      Oh, and the metal detector. If only the Americans knew how to use it properly when they tried to find a bullet in their President Garfield...it just *might* have worked.

      Yes, I think America should really feel appreciated by this article. Just too many compliments for me.

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          Ice cubes are America's greatest triumph over Europe. I can't believe they don't embrace them over there yet. I was just there for 18 days and had ice two times.

          Also, free bathrooms are a great American invention. Paying 50cents for every bathroom is such a hassle. But I have to admit they keep the bathrooms perfectly clean, as opposed to disgusting public bathrooms in the US.

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            I have had ice exactly one time overseas: The Hard Rock Cafe

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                Re: Reasons to Celebrate America

                Originally posted by quinnthology View Post
                Ice cubes are America's greatest triumph over Europe. I can't believe they don't embrace them over there yet. I was just there for 18 days and had ice two times.

                Also, free bathrooms are a great American invention. Paying 50cents for every bathroom is such a hassle. But I have to admit they keep the bathrooms perfectly clean, as opposed to disgusting public bathrooms in the US.
                It's almost as if it costs money to keep up bathrooms!

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                  Taco Bell.

                  **** yeah.
                  Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                    To be serious for a moment.

                    The best testimonial for America I know is my Liberian friend. I met him when I was in Peace Corps, and my wife and I helped him come to the US during Liberia's protracted civil war. Since then, he's always kept his immigration status legal, and also that of his wife and the several kids that he sent for one at a time over several years as he could afford to.

                    I was talking to him on the phone just yesterday, and he was saying, "The great thing about this country is you can always study and learn something new that will pay off for you." He has done several jobs, and he has never felt that anybody owed him any more than a chance to work and a fair wage.

                    In his own country, he was robbed several times -- as often by the government as by the rebels.The radio station where he and I worked back before the war has long been destroyed and the city of Zwedru is a ghost of what it was then. But he says since coming to the US he has always felt more secure.

                    One of America's best assets is its immigrant population. They prove that America is still what it should be.
                    And I won't be here to see the day
                    It all dries up and blows away
                    I'd hang around just to see
                    But they never had much use for me
                    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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                      Re: Reasons to Celebrate America

                      Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                      To be serious for a moment.

                      The best testimonial for America I know is my Liberian friend. I met him when I was in Peace Corps, and my wife and I helped him come to the US during Liberia's protracted civil war. Since then, he's always kept his immigration status legal, and also that of his wife and the several kids that he sent for one at a time over several years as he could afford to.

                      I was talking to him on the phone just yesterday, and he was saying, "The great thing about this country is you can always study and learn something new that will pay off for you." He has done several jobs, and he has never felt that anybody owed him any more than a chance to work and a fair wage.

                      In his own country, he was robbed several times -- as often by the government as by the rebels.The radio station where he and I worked back before the war has long been destroyed and the city of Zwedru is a ghost of what it was then. But he says since coming to the US he has always felt more secure.

                      One of America's best assets is its immigrant population. They prove that America is still what it should be.
                      Very true. I know a guy who is now a US citizen who came here from Nigeria a long time ago as a college student. He was admitted to one of the schools in the University of Arkansas system. His first semester, he was told by someone in the government that he had to pay his tuition through one of the Nigerian Consulates. This turned out to not be true, and some Nigerian government official in California pocketed his tuition deposit.

                      He didn't even know this occurred until he received a letter from the school, saying that they had not gotten his tuition payment. He thought for sure that he was going to have to go home.

                      Some state government officials threatened to make a big deal out of this, and the consulate relented and gave his money to the University. He said he was floored that there was actually a government out there that made an effort to do good by not only their people, but immigrants at that.

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                        Re: Reasons to Celebrate America



                        Dear Europe,

                        You're welcome.

                        Sincerely,

                        The United States of America

                        In all seriousness though, I found this article to be rather condescending, and I think that some Europeans have forgotten the true contributions made by our country during our 233 year existence, like the one seen above. Young men fought and died for the freedom of Europeans, and on a larger scale for all free men. I know I might get slapped as the idiot American, but I find it a little offensive at times that due to some poor recent decisions by our leaders we get painted as ignorant, self centered, and well flat out stupid.

                        Maybe we are sometimes, but I'm willing to bet that when the chips are down and someone needs an ally we aren't getting traded for anyone on this planet.

                        I'm so freakin' proud to be an American I can't even express it in words. Being on a college campus I get to see a lot of anti-American sentiment from people that like to think they are fighting against the establishment. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
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                          I think it's tongue-in-cheek. Europeans in general love Americans. Maybe not the American government, but definitely Americans and the U.S. as a country. I can attest to this personally in more ways than one. Maybe the U.S. is that crazy rich uncle you have. Yeah, he's crazy and spends his money on things he shouldn't but you wouldn't trade him for anything or anyone in the world.

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                            Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                            Very true. I know a guy who is now a US citizen who came here from Nigeria a long time ago as a college student. He was admitted to one of the schools in the University of Arkansas system. His first semester, he was told by someone in the government that he had to pay his tuition through one of the Nigerian Consulates. This turned out to not be true, and some Nigerian government official in California pocketed his tuition deposit.

                            He didn't even know this occurred until he received a letter from the school, saying that they had not gotten his tuition payment. He thought for sure that he was going to have to go home.

                            Some state government officials threatened to make a big deal out of this, and the consulate relented and gave his money to the University. He said he was floored that there was actually a government out there that made an effort to do good by not only their people, but immigrants at that.
                            I worked for an immigration attourney in DC for a year and, as great as this country is, I can give 2 stories for every one like this of DHS douchebags that deny political asylum/visa applications for people that would be great additions to this country simply because they may have misfiled an application (or some other frivolous reason).

                            My single favorite memory, however, is from a time in immigration court where we had a Congolese client who was clearly an enemy of the state and would be killed upon return. As part of his case, we submitted a police warrant for his arrest from the DRC government. After he won asylum, the DHS attourney told us that he suspected that the warrant was falsified (something we suspected but our client insisted was not true) but let it go since it was just a procedural matter and, based off of all the other evidence, it was clear that this man should be granted political asylum.

                            All this being said, there are few countries out there as liberal with immigrants as the U.S. is and that is indeed a reason to celebrate America.

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                              The average Joe American gives more to charity than in any other nation. We may be dirty filthy rich compared to the rest of the world but on average we are a sharing bunch of humans too. Where would ANY of the UN charities be if not for the US citizens that WILLINGLY contribute more than the Government forced contributions taken from our taxes. Where would any of the nations struck by natural disasters be were it not for the efforts of those citizens who give of thier own to help unknown people a 1/2 world away? We may have our faults (afterall, we are human too) but we have LOTS to be proud of our fellow citizens.
                              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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