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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

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  • Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...p1=MEWell_Pos3

    (link has video from Jackie McMullen)

    A day to celebrate Bird's greatness
    By Bob Ryan, Globe Columnist | December 7, 2006

    Yes, it's true. Larry -- no surname needed -- turns 50 today.

    "It didn't mean anything to me," he says. "But everybody's talking about it."

    "It doesn't bother me at all," he maintains. "We'll see. I was looking forward to my 40s, and they turned out to be up and down."

    One thing he will not be doing is paying any attention to a 12-hour celebration of his 50th birthday that commences on NBA TV at 9 a.m. and that will feature a one-on-one interview conducted by ex-teammate Bill Walton (7:30 p.m.).

    "I don't have to see it," Larry says. "I lived it."

    Given that among the program items will be "Larry Bird Through The Years" (what they term the "best of the best" clips from the NBA video library), to air at 5:30, and "Larry Bird's 50 Greatest Moments," to air at 6:30, this will be definite TiVo or videotape material. It will be a chance for the young'uns who think Paul Pierce represents the apex of basketball artistry to see what the greatest forward of all time actually looked like, and for the rest of us to relive some of our happiest days as sports enthusiasts.

    Just as older Bruins fans will tell you that hockey has never been the same for them since Bobby Orr retired, so, too, do many local basketball fans assert that the game will never again have the same allure as it did when No. 33 and friends were not only winning three championships as well as losing twice in the Finals, but were doing so with a brand of basketball that often transcended the mere entertaining to creep into the realm of inspiration.

    And that's not hyperbole. That's the gospel truth.

    Larry doesn't think in those terms, of course. He did the playing. He didn't really care if the rest of us put what he did in a larger philosophical context because he was enjoying himself -- most of the time, anyway.

    "I had fun," he points out. "I can tell you right now I did smell the roses. Any time I felt good, I completely loved playing. If I felt good during the warm-up, if I had my balance, I could definitely tell you that somebody was going to get an ***-whipping. Of course, I remember it all. I remember that first game in the Garden. There were only about 10 or 11,000 people there and I remember the place smelled like stale beer. Probably why I liked it."

    The big "if" was health. If it weren't the heels, it was the elbow. If it wasn't the elbow, it was the back. You could pretty much say his last four years were a constant struggle just to get into the lineup. It was difficult, and it was frustrating, and when it was time to quit, he had no regrets.

    "I knew it was pretty much over during that Cleveland series [first round, 1992]," he says. "I could barely move during the Olympics. I made the retirement announcement, and the next day I felt great because I knew it was over."

    That was one back fusion surgery ago. Larry was not going to be one of those guys flirting with a comeback.

    "Playing seems like a long time ago," he says. "I can remember it all when somebody asks me, but I never dwell on it. And college? That all seems like a blur."

    He had an ill-defined role with the Celtics and he coached the Pacers. He got to the Finals once, came within 20 seconds of getting there a second time, lost in yet another conference finals, and then he quit, just as he said he would. He's still amused that people didn't seem prepared to take him at his word. Hadn't he told them when he took the job it was for three years? And didn't he coach for three years? Well?

    "I said I'd coach for three," he shrugs. "I coached three and I'm never coaching again."

    He's a front-office guy now. His title with the Indiana Pacers is president of basketball operations, which makes him second in command to CEO/president Donnie Walsh.

    He likes it just fine, but it isn't quite as fulfilling as coaching, just as coaching wasn't quite as fulfilling as playing.

    "It's nothing like playing," he admits. "And you don't get the high you do as a coach. But front-office life is interesting. I guess I've really come full circle. It's enabled me to stick around the game. You still bleed these wins and losses, but you don't have your hands directly on it."

    One thing his general manager and personnel experience has taught him is that nobody was ever smarter than Red Auerbach.

    "What a genius," Larry marvels. "The way he found older players to bring in. The way he used his draft choices. He never wanted to give up a draft choice to get someone once a season started. He'd say, 'It looks good now, but you never know. You don't know how a season will go and you never know when you're going to need that draft choice.' The Knicks gave up two No. 1s to get Eddy Curry. That's exactly what I'm talking about."

    He'd like to see the Pacers playing better ("I think we should have won two or three more than we have"), but life in general is pretty good. Connor Bird is 15 now, and Larry loves watching him and his team play. "A completely different player than I was," Larry submits. "He'll take one shot a game and be happy. He's the quickest guy on the team."

    That's different, all right.

    He's living where he wants to live, among the people he's most comfortable with, and he's just bought a piece of Indiana on which he will retire. He's got no complaints.

    No, we're the ones with the issues. Larry Bird really did spoil us. He gave those of us who truly love basketball our ultimate highs, and it's downright depressing to think we've already experienced the best example of how to play this game we can ever hope to see.

    If you don't get NBA TV, you'd better buddy up quickly with someone who does.

    Bob Ryan is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is ryan@globe.com.
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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    Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

    can somebody record this and upload it?

    Thanks.
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

      As a reminder don't forget one additional Pacer has a birthday tomorrow. Early birthday wishes to the Voice "Mark Boyle" on the 8th.
      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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        Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

        Happy Birthday, Larry.

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          Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

            Originally posted by pacertom View Post
            What he said.
            “It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts” - John Wooden

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              Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

              These NBA TV features are fantastic. I probably would've taken off work if I knew about this in the morning. There's a "Larry's 50 Best Moments" show that has a long segment on the Pacer game where he bounces his face off the parquet. Great stuff. (Well, not so much for us...But whatever.)
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                Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

                I use to hate Larry Bird as a kid. I was always behind the Lakers. But as I have grown older I realized how dope Bird really was on the court and what he meant to the game. And watching NBA TV today, seeing all the old games from the Garden you have to appreciate his skills and his heart. This guy could play the game. Plus he took us to the Finals as a coach. I sort of wish he still was coaching this team.

                Happy 50th Birthday Larry!!!

                Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                  Re: Happy 50th birthday, Larry Bird (Boston Globe link)

                  Congrats to Larry and may we all wish him many more happy years as a Pacer
                  Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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