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Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

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  • Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

    Let me say that I like Lebron twice as much as I did before reading this. That kid has to develop a mean streak sooner or later....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050601306.html

    Heart of Wizards' Problem Is That They Have None

    By Michael Wilbon
    Sunday, May 7, 2006; Page E01

    We know what to make of LeBron James now, but not entirely what to make of the Washington Wizards in the agony of their defeat.

    The playoffs, in any professional sport, are a cold-blooded affair, and James appears perfectly suited to the occasion -- from making the plays a winner makes to issuing personal challenges. You really don't know what players and teams are made of until they're put to the test of the postseason.


    What we might have been forced to conclude after watching the Cavaliers eliminate the Wizards, four games to two, is that Washington has a nice team with some highly-skilled players while Cleveland, in James, has a kid with a competitive heartlessness that is required of most champions.

    The defining moment of the Wizards-Cavaliers series might have occurred late in overtime of Friday night's Game 6 when James, only 21, walked up to Washington's Gilbert Arenas while the Wizards were still leading by a point and said, "If you miss both of those free throws, the game is over."

    There are only a handful of players bold enough to do what James did at that moment, which is to call out an all-star playing at home, standing on the foul line with the game in his hands, moments after sending the game into overtime with a remarkable play of his own.

    It's a short list, really, at least over the past 25 years. We're talking about Larry Bird and Michael Jordan above everybody else. Magic Johnson might have thought it, but never would have said it, and if so only with a smile. James wasn't just talking smack; he issued a dare of sorts.

    During a very similar moment in the NBA Finals nearly 10 years ago, Chicago's Scottie Pippen walked up to Karl Malone before the first of two free throws and said, "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays." Malone, not coincidentally in most minds, missed two free throws and Utah lost a razor-close game. Pippen already had four championship rings by then but certainly was emboldened by the presence of Jordan on his team.

    If the Cavaliers get blasted out of the playoffs in the next round by the Pistons, which is what most folks expect, it may turn out that James's bodacious behavior is reserved only for opponents he thinks he can chump. But perhaps it will turn out that James is simply a bad, bad man.

    Of course, Arenas missed both free throws.

    James walked back to the bench, and hundreds of people sitting nearby saw him wave his hand in front of his throat and say to his teammates that Arenas was a "[bleeping] wimp."

    No, Arenas isn't anything close to that, and James will surely try to deny it, except that too many people looked right in his mouth when he said it.

    But if Arenas is going to ascend to the point that he can lead a team into championship contention, he's going to have to hit those two free throws. In fact, as good as Arenas already is, he might need to be a touch more cold-blooded himself, if that sort of heartlessness can be acquired after the age of, oh, 12.

    The Wizards had the kind of postseason that makes you want to hug them one moment and scream at them the next. It's an immensely likeable team, from Eddie Jordan through the end of the bench, filled with the kind of people folks find easy to root for. There's not a Darius Miles on the bench, thank God.

    On the other hand, the Wizards gave away three games they should have won, making you wonder what you have to wonder at the end of such a heartbreaking series.

    What do the Wizards have to do to get better, to at least be a serious contender for the conference championship?

    All over the playgrounds of D.C., and wherever hard-core basketball is discussed, it's said matter-of-factly that the Wizards don't have the "dog" in them necessary to be a contender. Just like "bad" came to mean good, "dog" in today's jargon means "edge" or "ruthlessness."

    James is ruthless.

    The Wizards are not.

    The temptation after the local team loses a series by dropping three one-point games, two after having 14-point leads, is to make radical changes. And almost always, as the Miami Heat may soon find out, that's an overreaction.

    Ruthlessness or killer instinct or the ability to close -- whatever you want to call it -- usually isn't taught. But it can be acquired. President of Basketball Operations Ernie Grunfeld has always had a keen eye for talent. Well, heartlessness, as James demonstrated in his exaggerated and surely arrogant manner Friday night, is an asset, especially when the most talented player on the team has so much dog in him. Whether through trade or free agent signing or drafting some unknown kid from some faraway place, the men scouting for the Wizards will have to do their best to find one . . . or two. A personality transplant may not be necessary, but they do need somebody who can make opponents wince and teammates a little uncomfortable from time to time.

    The last thing the Wizards need is a sea change, anything that even hints of starting over. We don't know if the close losses to Cleveland suggest the Wizards are close to a playoff breakthrough; the Cavaliers, after all, started the postseason as a neophyte when it comes to the playoffs. Arenas said Friday night as he exited the arena that he planned to show up and shoot hundreds of free throws Saturday. That's a nice first step for this team. In order to get even, perhaps the Wizards need to get angry and stay that way for a while.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

    I wondered what he said to Arenas before those free throws. Smack-talking and dares are just another area to add into his offensive arsenal of weapons. If only he could play some defense...

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      Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

      Let me say that I like Lebron twice as much as I did before reading this.
      You mean, you LIKED Lebron twice as much as you did before reading this or you mean you LIKE him twice as much as you did AFTER reading this. Or you REALLY do LIKE Lebron twice as much as you did BEFORE even reading this? Or you LIKED that Lebron LIKED himself before LIKING you for LIKING Arenas or Lebron??

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      • #4
        Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

        Originally posted by Moses
        I wondered what he said to Arenas before those free throws. Smack-talking and dares are just another area to add into his offensive arsenal of weapons. If only he could play some defense...
        If you miss both of these free throws, the game is over.
        "Remember the pain of my fist. That is my power!"

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        • #5
          Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

          With regards to the Wizards, I think they have a nice team, but they shot themselves in the foot in this series. They hurry there offense too much a lot of times. If you look at them they and what they should improve is not really adding a player (though they could definitely use a PF that has a good offensive move and can play some decent defense, so Jamison can switch back to SF), but really is beying more patient in their offensive scheme. They need to make more passes and post up more at times when the shot from outside is simply not falling. When they DO go inside with Jamison posting up or with Arenas or Daniels slashing to the basket or going baseline they either get the basket or the free throws, because these players are respected by the referees and opposing defenses know they usually won't be able to push them around like other lower profiel players without getting fouls.

          Basically, I really like their team, but it needs to grow a little and maybe add a little inside presence (but what team, except Milwaukee and Detroit doesn't want to do this?).

          Either way, I don't mind James's remarks. It's part of the game and the psycholigical "warfare" (if you want to call it that) in it. In fact it finally makes him look more human in that he's not a total innocent player or something.

          Regards,

          Mourning
          2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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          • #6
            Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

            I heard that Bron and Gil were pretty good friends

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            • #7
              Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

              Will LeBron be the wimp when the Pistons step on their throats?

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              • #8
                Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                Originally posted by Shade
                Will LeBron be the wimp when the Pistons step on their throats?
                Now, that is the question! Something that Sheed has been playing this psychological game since LeBron was in diapers. Also, I think that Ron Ron could have called LeBron a wimp in Thanksgiving, and probably did and much worse.
                Slug 'em Sabres!!!!!
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                • #9
                  Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                  I like Arenas much more than James. Arenas is a cool mother—shut your mouth! Even if he did miss those FTs. LeBron's just goofy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                    Ok, he's next to Jordan and Bird and above Magic Johnson... As if there's no another 50 or so players in today's NBA who are doing similar things during each game.

                    I like LeBron for almost everything he does except for making bball press more and more boring each day.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                      My opinion of Arenas goes down a little bit every time I see him play. He's immensely talented, but he just doesn't seem to have what it takes mentally to be a premier player.

                      As for the Wizards, they don't need to be "ruthless", they just need to learn how to play ****ing defense. :shakehead
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                        My friends and I had a big debate over if that should have been a tech with Lebron taunting Gill like that.

                        Of course Gill played it down and said they were both tight, but by NBA rules what Lebron (and Scottie) did was taunting, Lebron just did it in a much more open enviroment. But we all know the NBA would not dare t up its gold child.

                        As for the Wiz, I think Gill just plain missed those ft's. Players taunt all the time in crunch time, it's not quite as obvious as the way Bron did it. Most players just yell at the guy at the line, playing mind games w/ him, etc. Players also do it in passing, when they go from positioning in the key at the FT then going back out to the 3pt circle in passing the person shooting the FT's. It happens all the time, it's just not as noticable as the way Bron did it. Arenas is a great shooter, I'm sure whatever Bron said didn't phase him one bit, he just happened to miss the FT's, it happens to the best of them.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                          Lebron was really saying pimp

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                            **** LBJ, **** the Cavs, and I can't wait until Rip and company torch the Cavs by 20 every game. LeBron is nowhere near MJ - there will never be another MJ nd Gilbert is twice the player that LBJ is. If LeBron was on a real team, with players who were brave enuff to ask for the ball and force him to not be the "Cleveland Dictator" he wouldn't average what he does. The team and organization are run by a 21 year old. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk...
                            STARBURY

                            08 and Beyond

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lebron: "Arenas is a F-ing wimp."

                              how dirty is that? and that's funny that he tryed being pippen esque on that...I always thought jordan said the line "mailman doesn't deliver on sundays..." but guess not...
                              damn that sucks. I hate lebron...I can't wait for lebron to get punked by the pistons.
                              "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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