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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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  • ARE YOU WORRIED?

    that peja has a reputation of being someone who you cant rely on at the end of games in the playoffs and the fourth quarter. i love peja and he was my favorite player on the kings but he frustrated me so many times and broke my heart on a bunch of occasions when we needed him to make a big shot in games but he never came through. there was a game in seattle this year when he had 25 points in the first half then he had o points in the second half. then they showed on espn recently that peja averages the least amount of points in the fourth quarter in the league. im not trying to be a troll i just wanted to know what you guys thought. thanks

  • #2
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    It's better than having the other guy within 1,000 miles of the team. Gotta take what you can get.

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    • #3
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      i understand what your saying but believe it or not artest has become the leader of the kings and looks very good. i know you guys are gonna say hes crazy and everything but were giving him a clean slate. whatever he did in the past doesnt matter to us.

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by KINGS FAN
        i understand what your saying but believe it or not artest has become the leader of the kings and looks very good. i know you guys are gonna say hes crazy and everything but were giving him a clean slate. whatever he did in the past doesnt matter to us.

        Hehehehe. Gee, THAT sounds familiar...

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by rabidpacersfan
          Hehehehe. Gee, THAT sounds familiar...
          I know, I almost peed myself.

          Didn't mean to turn this into another Artest thread, though.

          My only comment was that Peja was the best we could do for D-Bag McGee, and I'll take it.

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          • #6
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            a) Reggie used to do the same thing (25 points in the first half, zero in the second). I think too much is made of Peja's alleged failures. Hell, I watched Kobe chuck up three airballs in a row at the end of a playoff series once.

            b) As btown said, whether or not Peja is clutch or not (and if it even matters on a team with one of the best low post clutch performers in the league) is a much better question than wondering when Ron is going to go Artest again.

            c) Late Edit - did you really just say "leader" and Artest in the same sentence?? Tell you what, when it all blows up, we'll give you a collective shoulder to cry on. And it really is "when", not "if". It isn't about a clean slate, Ron had one with the Pacers in spite of his history in Chicago and you can see how it worked out here...

            Good luck with that.
            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
            And life itself, rushing over me
            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            • #7
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              like i said i understand why guys hate ron artest but there was no way he could have stayed in indiana. he needed a change of scenery. and so did peja because in the fourth quarter we were playing 4 on 5. it seems like he pisses his pants once the fourth quarter rolls around.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by KINGS FAN
                ...then they showed on espn recently that peja averages the least amount of points in the fourth quarter in the league. im not trying to be a troll i just wanted to know what you guys thought. thanks
                Oh, now come on.... "the least amount of points in the fourth quarter in the league..."

                With such a subjective and unsubstantiated statement as that, would you really expect anyone on PD to not take you as a troll? For example, Eddie Gill surely must score less in Q4 than Peja. I could probably name another 150-200 players off the top of my head as well...

                What you received from us is a player that most likely will cause some sort of a problem. It just can't be determined how big the problem will be and when it might occur.

                What we got from you is a player that we may not be able to re-sign this summer if he happens to opt out of his contract.

                All-in-all, I'm very pleased with what we got. And this is coming from one of the top former supporters of Artest on PD.

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                  a) Reggie used to do the same thing (25 points in the first half, zero in the second). I think too much is made of Peja's alleged failures. Hell, I watched Kobe chuck up three airballs in a row at the end of a playoff series once.

                  b) As btown said, whether or not Peja is clutch or not (and if it even matters on a team with one of the best low post clutch performers in the league) is a much better question than wondering when Ron is going to go Artest again.

                  c) Late Edit - did you really just say "leader" and Artest in the same sentence?? Tell you what, when it all blows up, we'll give you a collective shoulder to cry on. And it really is "when", not "if". It isn't about a clean slate, Ron had one with the Pacers in spite of his history in Chicago and you can see how it worked out here...

                  Good luck with that.
                  yes he has become a leader on this team as crazy as that sounds. the kings are trying harder on defense and look very good doind it. he has taken the young guys under his wing and has made the play better also.

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                  • #10
                    Re: ARE YOU WORRIED?

                    Originally posted by KINGS FAN
                    yes he has become a leader on this team as crazy as that sounds. the kings are trying harder on defense and look very good doind it. he has taken the young guys under his wing and has made the play better also.
                    It's tough to be too mean to our resident Kings fans.

                    He'll make you fall in love, no question. Just don't hate yourself when it blows up. And it will. His brain, not his "scenery", guarantees that.

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                    • #11
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                      He will make players play harder. Probably 'cause they're afraid he'll bean them in the head with a basketball at halftime or start fights in the lockerroon or whatever.

                      tick tick tick tick

                      Its just a matter of time. Wait until either (1) the losing returns, or (2) the pressure is on. He can't handle it, and unless you trade him before that happens your team will be the next one he destroys.

                      There are a large number of former Ron supporters on here that wanted to believe the same things you are claiming were true with the Pacers. But they weren't. You might want to stop posting and do a little listening/ reading.

                      His inability to handle pressure isn't like a "Peja chokes" situation. Its much uglier.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #12
                        Re: ARE YOU WORRIED?

                        Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                        a) Reggie used to do the same thing (25 points in the first half, zero in the second). I think too much is made of Peja's alleged failures. Hell, I watched Kobe chuck up three airballs in a row at the end of a playoff series once.

                        b) As btown said, whether or not Peja is clutch or not (and if it even matters on a team with one of the best low post clutch performers in the league) is a much better question than wondering when Ron is going to go Artest again.
                        I think Peja getting a bum rap.

                        I'm glad you had the stones to say it first, Jay. Reggie used to do the same all the time. I just wonder how much people's memories are colored by marketing. Peja doesn't project much of an image, certainly not like Reggie.

                        I almost feel as if Reggie's shortcomings were downplayed by the media, in lieu of a good story, i.e., the cocky kid from LA, or the three point shooter with the big mouth.

                        It's a lot easier to throw Peja under the bus, so to speak, becasue he doesn't present that dynamic of a story. He's not an all interview team candidate. He's not a strong presence. Easier to make him look like a chump for playoff shortcomings, as part of the glorification of the other team.

                        I think Peja's been a victim of Sportcenter style marketing in the media.
                        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                        • #13
                          Re: ARE YOU WORRIED?

                          I'd rather have a guy who pisses himself in the 4th than Ron Artest. Several players fold in crunch time.

                          Only one player in the league is as disruptive as Ron Artest.

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                          • #14
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                            I look for Ron to start his annual antics again soon.It is a matter of time.He already stated he intends to go to NY after his contract is up.

                            I give Ron 5yrs or LESS and he will be history in the league.Stern WILL NOT tolerate him much longer.

                            As far as Peja goes at least he is a model citizen in the league where as Ron ....well you'll find out soon enough.

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                            • #15
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                              Peja has already hit some big fourth quarter shots for us... in just about every game we've had him. In fact we should've gone to him more against the Spurs.

                              The Artesticle Cancer is yours now...congrats...most of us believed he would be a good soldier the rest of THIS season... so enjoy. .. fall in love. And then next season will come.

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