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2012 NBA rumors thread part II

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  • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

    A Vecsey article:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...h6e9rLgEhjUkRJ

    Dwight drama set to end ... or not
    by Peter Vecsey
    Last Updated: 3:59 AM, March 13, 2012

    In case the Knicks are unaware, someone might want to alert them Thursday (3 p.m. Eastern) is the NBA trading deadline.

    Yes, once again it’s time for the annual prisoner exchange, though as part of the new collective bargaining agreement, any swap may be blocked by either commissioner David Stern or Iranian censors.

    Naturally, the Plight, err, Flight of Dwight, takes precedence over where anyone else in the assemblage may be redistricted. Does Howard stay in Orlando? Get traded to the Nets? Rented? Sublet? Or turned into condominiums?

    Last we checked Twitter, Howard had advised his followers he’s leaving; staying; wants to play with Tony Orlando; is looking forward to becoming Mikhail Prokhorov’s running partner, and he doesn’t mean in the next Russian election; and has eyes on Brooklyn, L.A., Dallas, Corpus Christi ... or maybe it was Chris Christie.

    I’m guessing Magic general manager Otis Smith, who’s “50-50” to have the job come summer, has been on the phone more than Rick Perry denying 11th-hour appeals.

    Scholarly speculation leads me to believe Howard will jump center when the Nets, of all teams, visit Orlando Friday night. Which uniform will he be wearing? Your guess is as good as mine.

    But don’t be the least surprised should owner Rich DeVos put the onus on Howard to make the command decision at season’s end. To opt out or not to opt out, that is the question.

    The financial consequences aren’t as prohibitive as widely presented. Should Howard sign for the four-year max ($81,114,448) elsewhere, the risk in forfeiting his Larry Bird free- agent rights is suffering a career-ending injury during that span, because a five-year max contract with Orlando is worth $109,229,059.

    Otherwise, Howard’s loss would be relatively minimal ($3.5 million) because he’d make up the majority of the above difference ($24.6 million) on the first year (fifth, overall) of his second Nets contract.

    OK, so why would DeVos chance losing Howard for possibly nothing? Should he do the turkey trot, the Magic are entitled to zero compensation.

    Of course, management could work out sign-and-trade arrangements after the fact, as the Cavaliers and Raptors did apropos to LeBron James and Chris Bosh ... should DeVos find puny first-round positions and a trade exception appealing.

    (Interesting that Cavs owner Dan Gilbert allowed such worthless wampum to override his puffed-up principles.)

    “The Magic must like any trade they make at this point,” an Eastern Conference GM underlined. “If they can get 90-95 cents on the dollar for Dwight, my guess is they’ll deal. If it’s 70 cents, I think they’ll play it out like the Cavs did with LeBron.

    “Cleveland went for a championship and that’s likely what the Magic also are thinking. Why not go for it? They’re in a new building that’s sold out and so are the sponsorships. More important, they’ve beaten some good teams last week (Bulls in Chicago and Heat at home). They’re in the third hole with a shot to move up a spot.

    “Hey, if they reach The Finals, Dwight may have a change of heart. If not, look how it turned out for the Cavaliers. A year later, they got Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson in the draft and are exciting on their way back up. Plus, they’re making money. When LeBron played for them they lost a ton of money.

    “So, what I’m saying is, in the end, if the Magic don’t get anything significant for Dwight, the Cavaliers are proving it’s not the end of the world.”

    * Moving right along, the team most likely to trade a quality center — Andrew Bogut — is Milwaukee. Golden State, say sources, is making every effort to be first on the receiving line.

    The Bucks are frustrated with Bogut’s inveterate injuries that take many months (a fractured left ankle Jan. 25 won’t permit him to play until mid-April) to rehabilitate.

    The Warriors are drooling to get him (despite his two-year, $27 million obligation) because it’s obvious they can’t become a playoff team unless the cavity in their middle is manned by someone with size, scoring ability and shot blocking skills.

    The big IF is Stephen Curry. That’s who is being offered. Last week, it looked like the two-for-one deal (Robin Lopez would have been obtained from Phoenix and rerouted to Milwaukee) was almost 100 percent approved by both sides. Subsequently, Curry’s surgically repaired (last summer) ankle sometimes forces him to pull up in pain when he makes a sharp cut. It doesn’t seem to be a grave problem, but it’s serious enough to make him take a seat and serious enough for the Bucks to take pause.

    peter.vecsey@nypost.com

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    • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

      So... Curry and Robin Lopez for Bogut? There has to be more pieces involved to make the numbers work - Biedrins or Kwame? And who do the Warriors send to Phoenix to get Lopez - if Lopez is obtainable then we can probably come up with a better offer.

      Also, isn't it rumored that SJax has to go out with Bogut? Can't see the Warriors taking back Cap'n Jack.

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        Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
        I know who doesn't say no: the D-league, because half our roster will be filled with D-league players.
        Anyway, it's good value for all 3 sides. I am a big fan of trading Roy and Collison for a good point guard, and Monta is a good scoring guard.
        The problem is we will have even less passing. Collison was at least trying to pass, Monta is going to shoot first... That's why I'd rather attempt to get Rondo for that Collison+Hibbert package. If we can't, that's a package to consider
        Monta is a scorer first and foremost, and he still averages more assists than Collison lol

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        • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

          That's maybe the reason why GS is forcing Curry to play.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            Marc J. Spears ‏ @SpearsNBAYahoo
            Bucks guard Brandon Jennings won't be traded, source close to the situation said.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
              Bucks not sure whats going to drop... they are asking the world for their chips, most teams not interested in the price




              1h Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
              Brandon Jennings situation tied directly to what the Bucks do with Andrew Bogut... one offer has them getting a solid PG in return.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                Alex Kennedy ‏ @AlexKennedyNBA
                Source close to the situation denied the rumored talks between the Warriors, Magic and Bucks: "No discussion whatsoever. Not one call."


                Alex Kennedy ‏ @AlexKennedyNBA
                @HPbasketball I said yesterday that a deal between ORL, MIL, GSW makes sense, but I've been told emphatically that it hasn't been discussed.
                Last edited by vnzla81; 03-13-2012, 11:37 AM.
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                • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                  I have a feeling that this rumor got twisted along the way with Monta Ellis. I think the Warriors are offering Ellis and Biedrins for Bogut and SJax. This would preclude them from making any deal with the Magic around Monta. I think this deal makes a ton of sense for both sides. I would prefer Bogut, but this deal would then force the Bucks into looking to deal Jennings. Or have the least efficient back court in the league, but dynamic no doubt. There would be plenty of suitors for Jennings, I'm sure. They could move him for a center upgrade or a wing.
                  "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                  • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                    Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                    I have a feeling that this rumor got twisted along the way with Monta Ellis. I think the Warriors are offering Ellis and Biedrins for Bogut and SJax. This would preclude them from making any deal with the Magic around Monta. I think this deal makes a ton of sense for both sides. I would prefer Bogut, but this deal would then force the Bucks into looking to deal Jennings. Or have the least efficient back court in the league, but dynamic no doubt. There would be plenty of suitors for Jennings, I'm sure. They could move him for a center upgrade or a wing.
                    It looks to me like the deal was going to send Monta+Jackson+Bierdrins to Orlando, Bogut+Gooden to GS and Redick+Anderson+Hedo+ other pieces+ picks to Milkwaukee.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                      Would something just happen already...
                      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                      • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                        Remember the Bucks being offered a "young, All Star caliber PG" for Bogut and everyone was asking who? Yeah, pretty sure that was Ellis.

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                          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                          Remember the Bucks being offered a "young, All Star caliber PG" for Bogut and everyone was asking who? Yeah, pretty sure that was Ellis.
                          Really? My first thought was Curry.

                          Who really describes Monta as a PG? Even if you think he can play the position, that's not usually how he's thought of.

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                          • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            It looks to me like the deal was going to send Monta+Jackson+Bierdrins to Orlando, Bogut+Gooden to GS and Redick+Anderson+Hedo+ other pieces+ picks to Milkwaukee.
                            I read that too, but I think that was misrepresented.

                            I think the person who got the info was projecting what 3/4 of the pieces in that deal would be based off of two or three names he was given.
                            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                            • Re: 2012 NBA rumors thread part II

                              From the other thread, Nets looking to salary dump Farmar ($4.2m) and Petro ($3.5m) in order to maximize their cap space for next season. They're offering the Houston 2012 pick (obtained from the TWill trade, currently #17) as incentive. Charlotte's large expiring deal (Diaw) is the supposed target. Pacers could probably do the same deal, but we probably don't want to mess our own 2012 cap space.

                              Also from the other thread, there are persistent rumors that Tyreke Evans is on the block. Supposedly the Kings are looking for a veteran leader in return, with Danny Granger previously being mentioned as a possibility (not in the current article though - I'll dig for the old article if anyone's interested).

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                              • This might get the ball rolling!!

                                @WojYahooNBA: Y! Sources: Whatever the Magic do at trade deadline, Dwight Howard's still determined to sign with the Nets in July. http://t.co/LDxMziSG

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