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  • 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

    We traded Erin Phillips!!!

    Someone needs to evaluate this trade for me!

    Fever Lands Additional First Round Pick and Post Player In Trade with Phoenix
    Indiana Owns No. 5 and No. 9 Selections in Upcoming WNBA Draft

    Official Release | March 11, 2014

    INDIANAPOLIS – The Indiana Fever has acquired a first-round draft pick and power forward Lynetta Kizer from the Phoenix Mercury in a trade announced today that sends combo guard Erin Phillips to Phoenix along with Indiana’s second-round pick in the upcoming WNBA Draft.

    The Fever adds the No. 9 pick in the draft to go with the No. 5 choice it already owns, marking only the second time in franchise history the club will own two first-round selections. The Fever’s No. 5 pick is its highest since 2005. Phoenix receives the 17th overall pick with its second-round pick from Indiana.

    “I want to thank Erin for all she did for our franchise,” said President and General Manager Kelly Krauskopf. “She is a tremendous professional both on and off the court. She played an integral role in helping us win a WNBA Championship in 2012. I wish her nothing but continued success.”

    Krauskopf continued, “Erin is going into the final year of her contract and this trade allows us to bring in another young player through the draft, as well as add a young post player with Lynetta Kizer. Lynetta is a 6’4” post player who can score inside and out. She gives us significant help with interior scoring and rebounding.”

    A power forward who starred at the University of Maryland, Kizer begins her third WNBA season in 2014. She is an athletic, dominant rebounder who averaged 9.9 minutes per game in 27 games with the Mercury last summer. She split her rookie campaign between Tulsa and Phoenix after a third-round draft selection in 2012. Kizer currently plays for European power Good Angels Kosice in Slovakia. Since joining the club in the past month, she averages 8.5 points and 7.0 rebounds in the Middle European League, and 12.5 points with 7.5 boards in EuroLeague competition.

    “We are excited to welcome Lynetta Kizer, a young physical post player who can play the 4 or 5 spot for us,” said Fever coach Lin Dunn who is scheduled for induction in the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame in June. Echoing Krauskopf’s sentiment, Dunn added, “We appreciate all that Erin did for our franchise and we wish all the best in Phoenix.”

    Phillips enters her seventh WNBA season which included a starring role on the Fever’s 2012 WNBA championship team. She played three seasons in Indiana, but missed much of the 2013 season with knee problems.

    After opening training camp April 27, the Fever hosts a preseason game with the Washington Mystics on Monday, May 5 (12:00 p.m.). The Fever opens the regular season at Chicago on May 16 before hosting its home opener against the Atlanta Dream on Saturday, May 17 (7:00 p.m.)
    http://www.wnba.com/fever/news/fever...e_phoenix.html

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    Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

    Are we allowed to play without an Aussie?
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #3
      Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

      As a Phoenix Mercury fan..thanks for Erin.

      Maybe Indiana can get Hartley? I'm not sure if she'll be around at 9, but she's one of my all time favorite Huskies.

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      • #4
        Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

        Katie Douglas signs with Connecticut.

        Time for the Fever to rebuild.

        http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...agent/6821677/
        Last edited by Strummer; 03-24-2014, 10:30 AM.

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          Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

          Originally posted by Strummer View Post
          Katie Douglas signs with Connecticut.

          Time for the Fever to rebuild.

          http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...agent/6821677/
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #6
            Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

            Originally posted by BillS View Post
            Sad, but completely the right decision by Indiana.

            There's a lot of quality combo guards in this year's draft and Indy has two picks in the top 10. Katie is a 34 year old vet with injury concerns. She wasn't worth the max contract. I can't blame her for taking it, but it was the right call from Indiana's perspective.

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            • #7
              Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
              Sad, but completely the right decision by Indiana.

              There's a lot of quality combo guards in this year's draft and Indy has two picks in the top 10. Katie is a 34 year old vet with injury concerns. She wasn't worth the max contract. I can't blame her for taking it, but it was the right call from Indiana's perspective.
              That's why rather than
              BillS

              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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              • #8
                Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                Sad to see her go, but understand it was necessary. Douglas is damaged goods at this point, and even though she helped the Fever reach the Finals she's never really been able to shake the stigma that she tends to disappear in the postseason.


                I'm interested to see what the Fever do with two first round picks. #5 is the team's highest pick in almost ten years.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                  Chicago signed Jessica Breland. I thought she played well for us last year.
                  http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/3/27...ee-agency-2014

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                    And Jessica Davenport appears to be retiring.
                    http://www.swishappeal.com/2014/3/24...rom-basketball

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                      The Fever signed free agent G/F Marissa Coleman. Says she was a restricted free agent.
                      http://www.wnba.com/fever/news/versa...ith-fever.html

                      Versatile Forward Marissa Coleman Signs Free Agent Deal with Indiana Fever

                      Official Release | March 28, 2014

                      INDIANAPOLIS – The Indiana Fever has signed veteran forward Marissa Coleman to a multi-year contract. Coleman was a restricted free agent who has spent five WNBA seasons between Washington and Los Angeles. Per team policy, terms of the deal are not disclosed.

                      Coleman is one of the WNBA’s most versatile forwards and posted her best season in 2011 when she averaged 8.6 points and 4.8 rebounds per game with the Mystics. Traded to the Sparks prior to the 2012 season, Coleman was a part of playoff teams in Los Angeles the past two seasons. She averaged 4.6 points in 2013 while playing behind league MVP Candace Parker.

                      PHOTOS: Marissa Coleman Career Gallery »

                      “Marissa helps us spread the floor with her perimeter shooting and size from the wing,” said President and General Manager Kelly Krauskopf. “She adds depth to our back court. We are very happy to have her in Indiana.”

                      A 6-1 guard-forward, she can play interior and perimeter positions and should bolster the Fever’s versatility. Last season, she was one of the league’s top shooting small forwards, hitting 40 percent from 3-point range and 43 percent overall. A career 36 percent 3-point shooter, Coleman should help spread the floor on offense, with the absence of shooting guards Katie Douglas and Erin Phillips.

                      The second overall pick in the 2009 WNBA Draft, Coleman was selected by Washington behind top selection Angel McCoughtry and ahead of college teammate Kristi Toliver. During an All-America career at Maryland, Coleman helped the Terrapins to a national title as a freshman in 2006, and became the first player in Atlantic Coast Conference history with 2,000 career points, 1,000 rebounds, 400 assists, 200 steals, and 100 blocks.

                      She recently completed play in South Korea where she and the KB Stars advanced to the semifinals of the league tournament. She averaged 6.0 points and 3.4 rebounds over 36 games last winter. She has previously played overseas in Italy, Hungary, France and Spain.

                      Indiana opens training camp April 27, prior to hosting a preseason game with the Washington Mystics on Monday, May 5 (12:00 p.m.). The Fever opens the regular season at Chicago on May 16 before hosting its home opener against the Atlanta Dream on Saturday, May 17 (7:00 p.m.)

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                        Re-signed restricted free agent Erlana Larkins. It's interesting that they list her as PF in the story. I thought she played (undersized) center for us.
                        http://www.wnba.com/fever/news/erlan...-to-fever.html

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                          Sad to see Katie and Erin go, they brought us some great memories over the years. I'll always be thankful for their time here.

                          I love the Marissa Coleman pickup, though. A versatile forward who can defend and knock down the three? Yes, please.

                          I want Alyssa Thomas at 5. She's going to be a perennial all-star. Of course, that's considering she even drops to 5. But if she's there...
                          2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                            Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
                            Sad to see Katie and Erin go, they brought us some great memories over the years. I'll always be thankful for their time here.

                            I love the Marissa Coleman pickup, though. A versatile forward who can defend and knock down the three? Yes, please.

                            I want Alyssa Thomas at 5. She's going to be a perennial all-star. Of course, that's considering she even drops to 5. But if she's there...
                            The problem with that is that Thomas, Coleman, and Tamika are all similar players. I guess the Fever could play them at the 1, 2, an 3..and obviously if Thomas is there at 5, she'll likely be the best player available. (Unless teams get really stupid.) But that's a lot of talent that all does the same thing. Indiana needs post players and guards.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2014 Indiana Fever Thread

                              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                              The problem with that is that Thomas, Coleman, and Tamika are all similar players. I guess the Fever could play them at the 1, 2, an 3..and obviously if Thomas is there at 5, she'll likely be the best player available. (Unless teams get really stupid.) But that's a lot of talent that all does the same thing. Indiana needs post players and guards.
                              Well, let's see.

                              Bri and Z are locks for the 1 and 2. Clarendon can play some 1. Karima and Pohlen can play the 2. And as you said, even Coleman and Thomas could rotate there if we want to go bigger.

                              Catch can play 3 or 4. Pohlen can play some 3. Coleman and Thomas can play both.

                              Larkins is our 5. I'm very interested to see what Kizer can bring to the table, but I agree that it looks like bigs are our biggest weakness right now.

                              The great thing about this roster is how they're so versatile that it really opens us up to take the best player available at 5 and even 9. It's depressing to think about, but Catch is 34 with a lot of miles on her body and with the way she leaves it all out there every game... we've got to start laying the foundation for the future as well. Thomas, to me, is the ideal pick to have Catch mentor and mold in her image.
                              2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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