The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

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  • #31
    Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

    My understanding is that the university's development office requested the video be made, but I agreed with your initial take the kids should have just owned it when they posted it.


    • #32
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      I've been afraid to watch it

      On the bright side, AJ's lost the baby fat


      • #33
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        Originally posted by Dab View Post
        I've been afraid to watch it

        On the bright side, AJ's lost the baby fat

        watch out roy hibbert!


        • #34
          Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

          Ya AJ looks ready to go.

          Painter didn't look terrible for the Giants last night.


          • #35
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            hey random question: if I am out of market (so no BTN) but subscribe to ESPN Full Court, does that add any Purdue Basketball games? Or are all the games on BTN, with one or two on espn/espn2/cbs?

            I know the schedule might not be out yet, but how was it last year.


            • #36
              Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

              Anthony Johnson's apparently going to be enrolling at Northern Illinois


              • #37
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                ^is NIU the team that scored like 8 points in a half last year? At least he will get PT if so!


                • #38
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                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  Anthony Johnson's apparently going to be enrolling at Northern Illinois
                  Hopefully that means his family is alright.


                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                    Hopefully that means his family is alright.
                    definitely, he's at least a helluva lot closer to home so there's that at least


                    • #40
                      Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread


                      the bigs working out recently. and Brantley getting put on his *** by Hammons lol


                      • #41
                        Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

                        the bigs working out recently. and Brantley getting put on his *** by Hammons lol
                        Saw that the other day...HUGE flop by BB!


                        • #42
                          Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

                          Old Painter had another decent game for Giants


                          I doubt he makes it over Carr and/or Nassib though.


                          • #43
                            Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

                            I know it is too early, but I already feel good about the season. I think Hazell is going to be perfect for us.

                            I wouldn't want to paint his house though.

                            WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. -- Darrell Hazell and his wife picked out 22 paint colors for their new house near the Purdue campus. But when Hazell walked in it for the first time, he thought it looked too much like a circus tent.

                            So they eliminated five or six shades from the house. Yet things still weren’t perfect. Hazell noticed that in one room, two different paint colors were touching one another. That simply wouldn’t do, so he called the painters back in to fix the trim.

                            The first-year Boilermakers coach admits that he’s “probably a little anal” when it comes to small details like that.

                            “I probably shouldn’t tell you this,” he says, somewhat sheepishly, “but if there’s something that’s not in line on my desk, it distracts me. I don’t know if that’s OCD or what. I do like things in order.”

                            Hazell is all about making sure every little thing is the way he wants it. Which might be what makes him the perfect coach for Purdue right now.

                            The Boilermakers have been stuck in mediocrity for most of the past decade. Danny Hope led them to two straight bowl games but was fired after compiling a 22-27 record in four seasons. Hope’s tenure was marked by wild fluctuations in performance and teams that often looked either ill-prepared or mentally undisciplined. Hope was also known as a players’ coach who gave his guys a lot of freedom but inconsistent discipline, as when former linebacker Dwayne Beckford stuck around the program after repeated arrests.

                            “When I had my first [team] meeting, I said, 'Tell me what's going on.'” Hazell said. “And they said, 'There's discipline for some, not for others. There's no standard.’”

                            Hazell went about changing the culture right away. He recalls that in that first team meeting, several players were slouched in their chairs and wearing hats. He quickly read them the new rules of the program, which include: no hats worn inside buildings, always sit up straight, be early to every meeting.

                            To their credit, players who were used to a different kind of leadership responded positively to Hazell’s style.

                            “In the past you could tell this was a middle-of-the-road program, and it was OK,” sophomore quarterback Austin Appleby said. “Then the new coaches came in here, and things changed immediately. Everything we do, it’s all about the details. That’s what they constantly preach, and ultimately, that’s going to add up to wins and add up to championships.”

                            “Will not wearing hats indoors create championships? Not directly. But it’s the little things. Everything is on point and exact to every second. That’s what we need and what we want out of our head coach and the leader of our program.”

                            Hazell picked up much of his detail-oriented philosophy from Jim Tressel. He spent seven seasons on Tressel’s staff at Ohio State, eventually becoming assistant head coach. He led Kent State to a school-record 11 wins last season in his second year in charge of the program.

                            Hazell said he realized early on at Kent State that there was talent in the locker room; he just had to instill a winning attitude in a program that hadn’t won much in a long time. He sees the same thing at Purdue, a team that was good enough last year to take Notre Dame and Ohio State to the wire on the road but bad enough to lose five straight in the middle of the season.

                            “It’s a belief system, really,” he said. “And then you have to teach them all the things to help them, like situational football, taking care of the little details of a play or why you don’t wear the hat in the house. All those little details, it may not seem like it right now, but they all show up in the end.”

                            That was evident in a recent practice, as Hazell ran the team through short-yardage and red zone drills in a crisp, 90-minute practice session. The Boilers’ offensive and defensive lines look the part, and he has some intriguing options at quarterback and receiver, plus a solid defensive backfield.

                            “We’ve always had talent at Purdue,” Appleby said. “Many times last year, we were in position to win, and we beat ourselves with the little things.”

                            The big thing the Boilermakers have to worry about in 2013 is the schedule, especially early on. The first eight games include tests at Cincinnati, Notre Dame, at Wisconsin, Northern Illinois, Nebraska, at Michigan State and Ohio State. While the fan base has embraced Hazell early on, can he keep the excitement level up if his team drops a bunch of games early?

                            “I think it’s important that we get off to a good start, but I don’t think it’s end-all, be-all,” he said. “We’ve got to make sure we don’t flinch if it doesn’t happen.”

                            Hazell’s even-keeled demeanor -- another departure from his predecessor -- should help him and Purdue weather some potentially rocky times in the beginning. Just as long as you don't mess up his perfectly arranged desk.


                            • #44
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                              Hazell is gonna take you guys places.


                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by TinManJoshua View Post
                                Hazell is gonna take you guys places.
                                Definitely the plan, love everything I've seen and heard so far. I just hope the fanbase doesn't get up in arms if this is a rough year, I wouldn't be stunned to see a 2-10 year with our schedule. I expect more like 5 wins, but it's gonna be a long season. I just want to be competitive and actually in every game, not multiple 25+ point blowouts again.