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  • #16
    Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

    It's a miracle nobody was killed yesterday, at the same time it brings back the ignorant comments Jimmeh Johnson said about Indycar after Las Vegas. NASCAR needs to thank their lucky stripes that everyone will eventually be able to walk away, I'd shudder to think what would have happened otherwise.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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    • #17
      Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

      I her defense, and it will probably be the last time I defend her, she did get hung out there behind Biffle when everybody went and left him in the middle. If she would have tried to go, she'd have been at the back of the lead pack because they would have left her out to dry.
      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
      "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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      • #18
        Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

        Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
        I her defense, and it will probably be the last time I defend her, she did get hung out there behind Biffle when everybody went and left him in the middle. If she would have tried to go, she'd have been at the back of the lead pack because they would have left her out to dry.
        I thought when it was obvious Biffle was hanging with the Fords and there was a freight train coming on her left side led by Jimmie Johnson in his Chevy that the smart thing to do was drop down in that line while there was still a big but quickly closing gap. Possibly bringing the car (88) behind her who could see she was actually making a move to try and win and get to the front in the waning laps. But she didn't. Drivers need to know who's going to the front because you don't want to partner with a driver content to just finish in the top ten or so. And so she did what she always does... went backwards at go time.
        Last edited by Bball; 02-25-2013, 02:55 AM.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

        ------

        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #19
          Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

          She's tentative. That's for sure.
          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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          • #20
            Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

            I'm just so sick of the hype I'm in full fledged hater mode
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • #21
              Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              OMG am I glad Danica is gone from Indycar! Watching Daytona today was painful with all the Danica mentions, in car shots, her radio, etc.. And when 'go' time came, back she went.

              Soooo the first interview after the race? 8th place finisher Danica Patrick. Not a couple of the little teams that did well and could use the exposure... Not a top 3 finisher. Not someone that made a big leap in the last couple of laps. Not someone involved in that last lap wreck. Danica Patrick.

              That sh-t will not sit well very long with other teams, other sponsors, other drivers, and diehards. All she does is soak limelight away from people who actually deserve the accolades and that is NOT good for the sport (because accolades =exposure and exposure is what drives sponsors to the sport). It might seem good short term, but it's not IMHO when people start to realize she's getting the spotlight away from deserving drivers over the long haul.

              Danica Patrick was not winning this race today as long as it finished under green. Go time for Danica means go backwards...

              Wait a second, so you mean to tell me that there was actually a winner of the race yesterday? Wouldn't know it with all of the Danica hype. Because of the Danica hype, one misses the fact that one of the greatest NASCAR drivers ever actually won the race yesterday.

              The Indy Danica hype initially didn't bother me because I thought that ANY hype was good back then if it brought attention to the Indy 500, even if it was something as tiring as Danica mania. Danica's first 500 where she led some laps made the race a national news story, which I thought was great. The race had fallen out of the national conscience, so any publicity aside from horrible wrecks was a good thing. But there's no doubt that the Danica mania got very old as time went on, for the reasons you listed above.

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              • #22
                Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                As an Indycar fan, I can understand being upset about the coverage that Danica is getting, and will continue to get. But there is no denying her effect. A 30% bump in ratings for Daytona from 2012 to 2013 is no accident.

                Indycar will miss her. Greatly.

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                • #23
                  Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                  Indycar won't miss her at all... She's been gone a year already and it had no affect. Indycar fans gave up caring and tired of her and the sideshow. Bandwagon fans of Princess Sparkle Pony had already moved on. It was probably a smart move to go to Nascar when she did. Now, IF she'd come back to the 500 then she might bring some new eyeballs over from Nascar.... But I'd prefer she stay away anyway.

                  Put Kyle Larson in an Indycar instead...

                  (which of course won't happen)

                  EDIT: Wait... Didn't Danica run Daytona as part of her limited Cup schedule last year? I'm sure she did?? Don't forget Nascar and the media pumped the Gen 6 cars PLUS had to have some curiosity created with the wreck/injuries/national news from the Nationwide race on Saturday. I don't see how a bump in this year's ratings could be attributed to Princess Sparkle Pony if she was there last year already.

                  EDIT #2: Although I'd be curious to hear whether the Go Daddy $$$ are anywhere near the same for Andretti without her. He may miss the $$$$. Then again, without her they won the championship too...
                  Last edited by Bball; 02-25-2013, 03:16 PM.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                  ------

                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    Indycar won't miss her at all... She's been gone a year already and it had no affect. Indycar fans gave up caring and tired of her and the sideshow. Bandwagon fans of Princess Sparkle Pony had already moved on. It was probably a smart move to go to Nascar when she did. Now, IF she'd come back to the 500 then she might bring some new eyeballs over from Nascar.... But I'd prefer she stay away anyway.

                    Put Kyle Larson in an Indycar instead...

                    (which of course won't happen)

                    EDIT: Wait... Didn't Danica run Daytona as part of her limited Cup schedule last year? I'm sure she did?? Don't forget Nascar and the media pumped the Gen 6 cars PLUS had to have some curiosity created with the wreck/injuries/national news from the Nationwide race on Saturday. I don't see how a bump in this year's ratings could be attributed to Princess Sparkle Pony if she was there last year already.

                    EDIT #2: Although I'd be curious to hear whether the Go Daddy $$$ are anywhere near the same for Andretti without her. He may miss the $$$$. Then again, without her they won the championship too...
                    How much extra publicity did they get from her being on the pole? It seemed like it was constant.

                    I love Indy, and I'm not a Nascar fan at all, but I watched the start and finish, mainly because Danica was in contention. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                      Good point... I forgot she was dancing... errrrr sitting on the pole....
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        Indycar won't miss her at all... She's been gone a year already and it had no affect. Indycar fans gave up caring and tired of her and the sideshow. Bandwagon fans of Princess Sparkle Pony had already moved on. It was probably a smart move to go to Nascar when she did. Now, IF she'd come back to the 500 then she might bring some new eyeballs over from Nascar.... But I'd prefer she stay away anyway.

                        Put Kyle Larson in an Indycar instead...

                        (which of course won't happen)

                        EDIT: Wait... Didn't Danica run Daytona as part of her limited Cup schedule last year? I'm sure she did?? Don't forget Nascar and the media pumped the Gen 6 cars PLUS had to have some curiosity created with the wreck/injuries/national news from the Nationwide race on Saturday. I don't see how a bump in this year's ratings could be attributed to Princess Sparkle Pony if she was there last year already.

                        EDIT #2: Although I'd be curious to hear whether the Go Daddy $$$ are anywhere near the same for Andretti without her. He may miss the $$$$. Then again, without her they won the championship too...
                        Larson in an Indycar would be beyond cool, but he's already gone to the dark side because...Well, you know why. AFIK, AGR are getting the same cash from Go Daddy. Considering that King James doesn't have boobs, there's not that much drop off in moving the meter since she's gone.
                        http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                          IMS hires consulting firm and this is what they said:

                          AP Exclusive: Family told to keep IndyCar, IMS
                          The Boston Consulting Group offered a wide array of suggestions on how to better position the troubled open-wheel series and historic speedway in a 115-page report, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press.

                          By JENNA FRYER (AP Auto Racing Writer) | The Associated Press – 15 hours ago



                          The Hulman-George family should retain ownership of the IndyCar Series and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, according to a report from a consulting group it hired to evaluate business operations, including running the Indianapolis 500.

                          The Boston Consulting Group offered a wide array of suggestions on how to better position the troubled open-wheel series and historic speedway in a 115-page report, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press.

                          Among the ideas: a 15-race IndyCar schedule in major American cities held over 19 weeks; a three-race playoff with a season finale on the road course at Indy; a new marketing strategy promoting IndyCar's ''daredevil drivers''; using just one U.S. television partner instead of both ABC/ESPN and NBC Sports Network; overhauling the ticket pricing at IMS in tiers that would raise the cost of the most expensive Indy 500 ticket from $150 to $200 and lower almost every ticket for the Brickyard 400 and Red Bull Grand Prix.

                          Hulman & Co. is under no obligation to follow the suggestions, but Hulman & Co. CEO Mark Miles said in a statement late Friday night the company is taking the report under advisement.

                          ''The work BCG has done provides conversation points around several important areas of our business as we shape our thinking about the future, but our strategy has not yet been finalized,'' Miles said in his statement.

                          ''As part of finalizing our strategy, we will be sharing information with our stakeholders and listening to their feedback and ideas before we come to any final conclusions. We are in the early stages of this process and will be communicating to our stakeholders and fans as we define our strategy for the future.''

                          Miles also indicated in his statement that the version of the report the AP reviewed was one of many documents that was continuously updated during a lengthy process.

                          ''BCG has produced many documents, including an early version of a document that is the subject of several news reports today, that include suggested elements for the plan,'' Miles said.

                          ''BCG examined many important questions throughout this process, including how to define our overall brand, how our motorsports properties can attract more fans, how we can make our races more appealing to television viewers and live audiences, and how we can help our teams, partners and other stakeholders be more financially successful because of our relationship.''

                          The consulting firm was hired at the end of last season, which many considered to be one of the best in terms of on-track competition. But boardroom politics and IndyCar's history of dysfunction overshadowed the racing and American driver Ryan Hunter-Reay's championship.

                          Randy Bernard was ousted as CEO in late October in what many fans viewed as a coup by power-hungry team owners and IndyCar founder Tony George, who made a late season play to buy back the open-wheel series.

                          Since then, Miles, who most recently led Indianapolis' successful Super Bowl effort, has been brought in as CEO of Hulman & Co. and is charged with hiring Bernard's replacement. Jeff Belskus, the former CEO, is filling in for Bernard in the interim.

                          With the March 24 season opener approaching and the series still lacking stability, auto racing observers were awaiting the report. However, it offered no quick fixes.

                          BCG said IndyCar was ''the best pure racing motorsports league in the U.S. ... but the series suffers from lack of awareness.''

                          Part of its problem is that a significant amount of the 14 million fans who watch the Indianapolis 500 don't watch another race during the season.

                          Focus groups suggested that marketing strategies should be geared to ''positioning IndyCar as having the most skilled, daredevil drivers and not theatrical off-track personalities.''

                          They indicated they valued fast cars over science and engineering; winning over points challenges; suspense through lead changes over entertainment through crashes; and the diversity of track types rather than ovals.

                          ''Focus on excitement of real racing; daredevil drivers defined by winning, racing at thrilling speeds,'' the report said, as a way to distinguish IndyCar from NASCAR's ''amusing entertainment: off-track drama and partying.''

                          The report also suggested:

                          - IndyCar should split the schedule into two seasons - a 15-race U.S. calendar from April to August and an international series during the offseason. The championship would be decided during the U.S. season, and the hypothetical schedule proposed by BCG included seven cities not currently visited by IndyCar. It opened at Houston, then Phoenix, the Indy 500, Miami, Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Pocono, Toronto, Seattle, Sonoma and Fontana. The ''playoffs'' portion included Texas, Long Beach and the Indy road course. BCG argued for a playoff because ''the current IndyCar schedule lacks consequence and the television ratings are at the lowest at the end of the season because the series does not have a mechanism to create suspense.''

                          - One television partner, preferably ABC/ESPN, or placing as many races as possible on ABC. The report also suggested the NBC Sports Network may be in violation of its contract with IndyCar if it promotes any other motorsports series more than IndyCar. NBCSN will broadcast Formula One this year, but the promotional clause in the contract pertains only to the cable channel and not network television. The report said NBCSN has indicated it would ''release the series from the deal'' because the rights fees increase from $5.5 million this year to $10 million in 2018 when the contract expires. But NBCSN has indicated it's happy with the IndyCar deal and wasn't interested in ending the relationship early.

                          - IndyCar should reduce the Leaders' Circle subsidy payments to teams and redirect the funds into a weekly purse based on performance. Under the current model, the league is giving teams a $1.1 million subsidy and race winners are earning just $35,000 per victory. BCG offered several different models, including one that shifted half of Leader's Circle money into prize money and upped the race winner payout to a minimum $240,000 per victory.

                          - Using Indianapolis Motor Speedway more. BCG Found that of the 132 days the track was used in 2012, only 21 were considered major revenue-generating events. By using the speedway for an IndyCar race on the road course, BCG found IMS had the potential to generate a $4.3 million profit.

                          - Resetting ticket price tiers: BCG found that IMS didn't really differentiate between high-end and low-end ticket pricing. The report targets Indy 500 ticketing, suggesting penthouse and deck tickets should be raised from $150 to $200, paddock seats from $90 to $150. Other seats should drop anywhere from $5-$20 and sometimes more.
                          http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hulman-...9906--irl.html
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                            Some of it I like, some of it i don't. Hopefully, it will pull them into the 21st century and make them think.
                            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                            "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                              You know spring is just around the corner when there's a blue envelope in your mailbox with Indy 500 tickets in it. And today was that day! Bring on Spring and bring on Indy!!!
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2013 Indycar Thread

                                Not sure whether everyone has picked up on this yet.... SPEED TV is soon to be 'no more'. Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain opened the season as only a 1/2 hour show (and apparently no Wind Tunnel extra following in the net either) and it will cease Aug 1.

                                I'm assuming SPEED will become on the new Fox Sports Natl channel?

                                In any case, another example of a channel designed to appeal to a select, niche audience, purchased by a larger entity.... and then down the road finally trashing the whole niche idea in the name of diversifying and trying to collect more viewers. Which misses the whole point of having a niche channel and collecting a certain demographic to sell to sponsors in the first place.

                                I realize SPEED morphed into the NASCAR channel (or awfully close to that) but I'm going to miss it and particularly Wind Tunnel. Although the 1/2 hour WT is not really enough to cover the racing of the week indepth and present much in the way of guests and interviews anyway. Just enough to scratch the surface.
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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