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2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

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  • #31
    Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

    That ain't basketball.

    I am more impressed by the kid who shot 34-44 and had 70 points than the kid who shot 108 times (missed 44 three pointers!) and scored 138...he jacked up a shot every 20 seconds!


    • #32
      Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

      Paul Westhead would be proud.


      • #33
        Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

        Lisa Leslie once scored 101 points in the first half of a women's high school basketball game (in two 8-minute quarters) and the other team forfeited the game at halftime.
        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


        • #34
          Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

          Butler really needs a point guard.


          • #35
            Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
            Paul Westhead would be proud.
            "The system" taken to the next level. Are we sure that Coach Arseneault isn't just an alias of Paul's?


            • #36
              Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

              lol cherry-picking at 2:06


              • #37
                Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                If Grinnell's opponent gets into the double bonus, Grinnell will sub in five freshmen players, foul their opponent immediately once the ball is in play, send them to the line, then sub the freshmen players out to put their scorers back in on offense.


                It's a sham that it will even go into the record books. What a joke. Some D1 school should schedule Grinnell by paying their admins a million dollars and just ebat them mercilessly.


                • #38
                  Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                  hey, say what you will about how dignified it is, but you've got to be in STELLAR shape to run a system like that, every guy on the roster. kind of makes me feel bad for the refs, this is D3 level.

                  it's D3 in Iowa guys. don't take it so seriously. the guy wins with it, that's all that matters.
                  Last edited by Heisenberg; 11-21-2012, 03:22 PM.


                  • #39
                    Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                    Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                    Paul Westhead would be proud.
                    no he wouldn't

                    they disrespected the game and it's a shame I hope the NCAA takes away the record that is some BS

                    I hope they ban them from every playing hoops again that coach should get a liftime ban

                    MUST READ


                    Jack Taylor, a sophomore guard from Grinnell College, just shattered the NCAA scoring record with 138 points in a single game. 138 points. A good number of college games don’t even see that many COMBINED points. It’s stunning. Grinnell’s website supposedly has archived video of all their basketball games, but it appears to be down. You’d really need to see the game film to get the full story, but the box score just popped up on’s website, so I had to have a look.

                    Just some random observations from this box score:

                    Taylor is only 5’10″. The shortest guy on Faith Baptist’s team is 5’10″. They couldn’t put someone on Taylor to shut him down after his first 50 shot attempts? Maybe try double teaming?
                    Taylor played 36 of 40 minutes. He scored nearly 4 points a minute. That’s incredible.
                    The dude jacked 71 threes. Their opponent shot only six threes. SIX.
                    He didn’t shoot a particularly great % from the field, but take away his 3-pt attempts and he shot 25-37, a very, very good 67.5%.
                    The team only had 22 assists on 68 field goals made. That is the definition of run-and-gun.
                    Taylor attempted 26 more shots than the other team combined.
                    Grinnell used 20 players in this game. Faith Baptist used 10.
                    Perhaps just as impressive was David Larson from Faith Baptist. At 6’4″, he shot 34-44 and put up 70 points in the losing effort.
                    Eric Young and Tyler Betz (look at his stupid bio pic) from Faith Baptist better be running some serious sprints after this game. They combined for 31 turnovers!
                    Some poor ******* had to record the play-by-play on this game. Look at the length of that document!

                    My biggest question from tonight’s game is this: where do they go from here? Will Taylor top this performance? They’re only three games into the season. Will he jack 130 shots next game? Do you think parents of the other kids on the team enjoyed watching this?

                    D3, terrible defense, whatever the case may be: 138 points is just absurd. I couldn’t score that against a team of 2nd graders.


                    The game film is finally available on Grinnell’s website, so I watched it this morning (yay Thanksgiving break!). Here are some more thoughts:

                    In the two games leading up to this one, Taylor was 5-18 and 6-23 from the field. Next game? 52-108. Come on. After watching the game film, this makes sense. Keep reading.
                    The announcer actually said that Grinnell will look on their schedule for their weaker opponents and do everything they can to run up the score and break records. This is all within the game plan. One tactic the announcer mentioned was called “The Bomb Squad”. If Grinnell’s opponent gets into the double bonus, Grinnell will sub in five freshmen players, foul their opponent immediately once the ball is in play, send them to the line, then sub the freshmen players out to put their scorers back in on offense. This takes almost no time off the clock, giving their starters as many offensive possessions as possible. To win the game? No, not necessarily. To break records.
                    For reasons unknown to me, this game counted as a regular season game for Grinnell, but as an exhibition game for Faith Baptist. The announcer actually mentioned this during the game. Hardly a competitive game even from the start.
                    There’s no question, Jack Taylor can play. Really good ball handler, finishes very well around the rim. He creates all of his own shots. Virtually no screens were set in this game. Taylor brings it up, does a couple crossovers, then either shoots a quick 3 or drives to the bucket. Grinnell’s spacing gave him so many open layups.
                    There were a LOT of possessions where Taylor would chuck up a shot, miss, and his teammate would get the rebound wide open under the basket. Instead of putting it back up, he would look for Taylor again and pass it out so he could chuck another three. There were many possessions where this happened three times each. Six three-point attempts in two trips down the court.
                    Every single person in that gym–the players, the announcers, the coaches, the fans–were hell-bent on setting records during this game. The entire flow was completely fixed to feed Jack Taylor the ball on every single possession. The announcer was even counting down the record for most points in a HALF. Who cares about that record? Grinnell does. It was weird.

                    Faith Baptist’s defense was just embarrassing. They were in no way conditioned to run with Grinnell in this style of offense. Run & gun, full court press every single time. It was as if every player was wearing concrete shoes. Sometimes it looked like they just gave up, or decided to help Taylor get this record.
                    Their offense was just as bad. Literally 75% of their points were full court heaves to get it over Grinnell’s press, then a wide open layup on the other end. Oh, and David Larsen’s “impressive” 70-point effort? Hardly. They were 90% wide open layups. He maybe took a handful of jump shots.
                    The announcer actually made a Wilt Chamberlain reference once Taylor hit 100 points.
                    The game got more and more embarrassing in the later stages. Taylor’s teammates would literally do everything they could do get him the ball every single time. It didn’t matter how wide open of a look they had.

                    The box score looks a heck of a lot better than the game film. This record is a total sham.

                    Update 2:

                    @BustedCoverage has ripped the first few minutes of the game tape where the announcers discuss Grinnell’s game plan and intent on setting records, as well as the closing minutes of

                    this video is a disgrace and if they dont do something about what these kids did I will be upset. Just give up layups so the other kid can keep chucking 3s beyond embarrassing.

                    What a joke total fraud and terrible for the sport. That bomb squad tactic is the biggest joke of all I would be ashamed to be affiliated with that team in any way.
                    Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-21-2012, 04:23 PM.


                    • #40
                      Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                      Yet here we are talking about Grinnell and Jack Taylor. Mission accomplished.


                      • #41
                        Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                        The announcers talking about the records is just hilarious. So stupid.


                        • #42
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                          Say whatever you want about it, the kid scored 138 points. It's absolutely his record. They didn't foul on every defensive possession to stop the clock or something. Who are we to say how basketball should be played? Wabash would probably shred Grinnell, let alone an actual D1 team, but who cares? Don't pretend this "record" actually means anything.

                          It's a gimmick offense, but it doesn't make it invalid. He chucked his way to 138 points, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. It's terrible basketball sure, but he legitimately scored the points.
                          Last edited by Heisenberg; 11-21-2012, 05:10 PM.


                          • #43
                            Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            no he wouldn't

                            they disrespected the game and it's a shame I hope the NCAA takes away the record that is some BS

                            I hope they ban them from every playing hoops again that coach should get a liftime ban

                            MUST READ


                            this video is a disgrace and if they dont do something about what these kids did I will be upset. Just give up layups so the other kid can keep chucking 3s beyond embarrassing.

                            What a joke total fraud and terrible for the sport. That bomb squad tactic is the biggest joke of all I would be ashamed to be affiliated with that team in any way.
                            It's a D-3 school in Iowa and people probably won't even remember it in a few months. Relax.


                            • #44
                              Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                              Some team should pull some ol' Jack Butcher-Loogootee stall ball on Grinnell sometime. I would love to see it. Get the ball.

                              Anyone ever play against that style of play in high school?


                              • #45
                                Re: 2012-2013 NCAA Basketball Thread

                                Originally posted by Stryder View Post
                                Some team should pull some ol' Jack Butcher-Loogootee stall ball on Grinnell sometime. I would love to see it. Get the ball.

                                Anyone ever play against that style of play in high school?
                                Problem is the shot clock.