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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

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  • #91
    Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    See, I think those "silly debates" are part of what makes college sports great. To me, there's more emotion than what you get in pro sports, JMO.


    I agree though, it is unfortunate, and well stupid that both sides couldn't get it done.

    I like the emotion when people are debating basketball and the teams themselves. But a polarizing debate over where to play a game doesn't do anyone any good, IMHO. All it turns into is both sides believing that the other guy is pure evil who is out to screw them. IMHO, IU and IU fans got so caught up in not wanting to be perceived as having lost a war to Calipari that they lost track of what was really important, which was the game itself. What's our prize for standing up to Calipari and not giving into him? No game at all. What a hallow victory.

    I know that I'm not adding anything new here as this has been debated to death. But I come on here and read IU-UK trash talk, which would have been fun back when we were playing them in three months. But now it's completely meaningless, and that is sad. I remember watching (and going to) IU-UK games for as long as I can remember. But now Kentucky is just another team who isn't on our schedule. They are no longer a rival. The IU-UK game was always a great way to kickoff the Chirstmas season, and now it's gone. And I blame IU just as much as UK, if not more. They had the opportunity to be the bigger man in this, but in the end they acted just as silly and petty as Calipari. Seriously, who turns down two games in a world class stadium that is freaking 50 miles from your campus in a city that has the highest % of IU alums in the country? Plus we already know that the Indy setup worked EXTREMELY WELL for a long long time. If we think we're better than UK then we should be jumping on the chance to beat them in front of a 50 something thousand seat place that is half IU/half UK
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-25-2012, 07:52 PM.

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    • #92
      Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      I like the emotion when people are debating basketball and the teams themselves. But a polarizing debate over where to play a game doesn't do anyone any good, IMHO. All it turns into is both sides believing that the other guy is pure evil who is out to screw them. IMHO, IU and IU fans got so caught up in not wanting to be perceived as having lost a war to Calipari that they lost track of what was really important, which was the game itself. What's our prize for standing up to Calipari and not giving into him? No game at all. What a hallow victory.

      I know that I'm not adding anything new here as this has been debated to death. But I come on here and read IU-UK trash talk, which would have been fun back when we were playing them in three months. But now it's completely meaningless, and that is sad. I remember watching (and going to) IU-UK games for as long as I can remember. But now Kentucky is just another team who isn't on our schedule. They are no longer a rival. The IU-UK game was always a great way to kickoff the Chirstmas season, and now it's gone. And I blame IU just as much as UK, if not more. They had the opportunity to be the bigger man in this,And I blame IU just as much as UK, if not more. Seriously, who turns down two games in a world class stadium that is freaking 50 miles from your campus in a city that has the highest % of IU alums in the country? Plus we already know that the Indy setup worked EXTREMELY WELL for a long long time. If we think we're better than UK then we should be jumping on the chance to beat them in front of a 50 something thousand seat place that is half IU/half UK
      i gotta disagree with this. there are some things that don't quite fly in my book. such as "And I blame IU just as much as UK, if not more." well, uk wanted it their way or no way at all. and because of that uk deserves more blame for being completely inflexible on this. and "but in the end they acted just as silly and petty as Calipari" no, not really. iu even offered a compromise where we would do a couple of neutral site games and a couple of home games (the wishes of both teams get met this way) but uk still said no deal.
      THEY were the ones refusing to budge even an inch. this is all about cowardice. there was no way cal was going to jeopardize his home court winning streak by bringing iu into lexington and facing the possibility of getting beat at home.
      if cal got his way on everything, uk would never play another tough home game ever again but only on neutral sites so he can keep his streak alive. uk is a basketball school in a football conference. he knows the sec doesn't put out many tough teams besides uk. i looked at their schedule and yep- totally devoid of any tough home games.
      at least we got north carolina coming to town.
      bottom line is that we were willing to meet them halfway. they were not willing to budge on anything at all.
      does iu deserve some blame? perhaps. but uk deserves more.

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      • #93
        Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

        Originally posted by clownskull View Post
        i gotta disagree with this. there are some things that don't quite fly in my book. such as "And I blame IU just as much as UK, if not more." well, uk wanted it their way or no way at all. and because of that uk deserves more blame for being completely inflexible on this. and "but in the end they acted just as silly and petty as Calipari" no, not really. iu even offered a compromise where we would do a couple of neutral site games and a couple of home games (the wishes of both teams get met this way) but uk still said no deal.
        THEY were the ones refusing to budge even an inch. this is all about cowardice. there was no way cal was going to jeopardize his home court winning streak by bringing iu into lexington and facing the possibility of getting beat at home.
        if cal got his way on everything, uk would never play another tough home game ever again but only on neutral sites so he can keep his streak alive. uk is a basketball school in a football conference. he knows the sec doesn't put out many tough teams besides uk. i looked at their schedule and yep- totally devoid of any tough home games.
        at least we got north carolina coming to town.
        bottom line is that we were willing to meet them halfway. they were not willing to budge on anything at all.
        does iu deserve some blame? perhaps. but uk deserves more.
        I know that Cal was stubborn and inflexible. Never said he wasn't. Boy we sure stood up to him, didn't we? So what's our prize for that? No game at all. Yay, what a great victory!

        IU had the opportunity to be the bigger man in all of this. It's not like Cal was demanding that we play two games in Louisville or something. He was giving us two games in OUR STATE. Indy has the highest percentage of IU alum of any major city in the country and is 50 miles from IU's campus. Any IU student who wanted to go could have found their way up there. We know for a fact that the Indy setup worked very well for a long time. I understand why many people preferred the series being on campus, but it still cannot be denied that the Indy setup worked pretty well too. It's not like we would be playing in Anarctica or something.

        I can't believe we refused this because we missed out on ONE home game in a four year span. And it's not like every student who wanted to go could have gone. When I had student season tickets 5 years ago (the Gordon year), UK was one of the games that I didn't get tickets for.

        I care more about the game than I do winning some silly war with Calipari. I don't care that Calipari is a coward, ***, etc etc. That means nothing to me. I just want to see the basketball game. IU could have accepted a fairly reasonable offer to continue the series in Indy's world class stadium. We know it worked very well there for a long time. But instead, we refused because we missed out on one home game in a four year span. Silly, IMHO. We are just as guilty as screwing the fans out of the game as UK is.

        We clearly wanted this game more than UK did. When you're bargaining with a party who doesn't want something as badly as you, sometimes you have to make concessions. Winning a war with Calipari became more important to IU than playing the actual game. Shame.

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        • #94
          Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

          Schedule is out. Lots of 9PM tips for Btown games. Nice for me having to head down there from work.


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          • #95
            Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

            Just for fun...

            Me and some of my IU friends were discussing Hoosier football the other day and I prompted this question (I may have asked it on here before, I forget) to them: What is the over/under on years before College Gameday comes to Bloomington? I set it at 18 years (2030). My friends all took the over, some of them citing "never" as their answer. What say you guys? Keep in mind that doesn't mean we are title contenders. We start out 5-0 against cupcakes and beat one ranked team in that stretch and have a powerhouse program ranked in the top 10 like Ohio State or Michigan come to town and who knows?

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            • #96
              Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

              Originally posted by Darren35 View Post
              Nearly everytime I take a look at this thread, no matter how much time has elapsed, someone on here has something to say negative about UK. I know Hoosiers hope UK/Cal gets in more trouble with the NCAA, but I doubt it happens anytime soon.
              Well now, I'm sure that if I were to go out and find a random sports message board where the majority of posters are likely to be UK fans, there would be nothing but sunshine and unicorns from them regarding the Hoosiers. Right?

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              • #97
                Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                Originally posted by travmil View Post
                Well now, I'm sure that if I were to go out and find a random sports message board where the majority of posters are likely to be UK fans, there would be nothing but sunshine and unicorns from them regarding the Hoosiers. Right?
                The troll does have a point though: UK is on cruise control and Calipari is clearly a professional at skirting the rules. They won't get in trouble any time soon. So I'm fine letting them have their one and dones and just beating them with three and degree.

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                • #98
                  Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                  Originally posted by cdash View Post
                  Just for fun...

                  Me and some of my IU friends were discussing Hoosier football the other day and I prompted this question (I may have asked it on here before, I forget) to them: What is the over/under on years before College Gameday comes to Bloomington? I set it at 18 years (2030). My friends all took the over, some of them citing "never" as their answer. What say you guys? Keep in mind that doesn't mean we are title contenders. We start out 5-0 against cupcakes and beat one ranked team in that stretch and have a powerhouse program ranked in the top 10 like Ohio State or Michigan come to town and who knows?
                  Purdue, who even IU fans, hoosierguy not withstanding, would admit has an exceedingly better football program than IU has hosted College Gameday just one time. The infamous Orton fumble against Wisconsin was the only time it's been to West Lafayette.

                  If the over-under was at 18, I would certainly take the over.
                  "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                  -Lance Stephenson

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                  • #99
                    Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                    Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                    Purdue, who even IU fans, hoosierguy not withstanding, would admit has an exceedingly better football program than IU has hosted College Gameday just one time. The infamous Orton fumble against Wisconsin was the only time it's been to West Lafayette.

                    If the over-under was at 18, I would certainly take the over.
                    I would probably take the over too, but I give it a better chance than most. IU has never had a good football program. If we all of a sudden started to rise and had an up and coming coach, got some buzz around our program, it's not wild to think they would bring Gameday to Bloomington a game or two into the conference season.

                    Personally, I think Indiana football needs to pull an Oregon. Now, I don't think we can get to that level of success (or anything close to it), but I think we need to get some buzz around our program. Get Adidas to throw together some crazy uniforms for us--maybe incorporate candy stripes into it or something. If Under Armour can incorporate the Maryland state flag into their uniforms, I think Adidas could throw together something neat to create buzz for us.

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                    • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      Just for fun...

                      Me and some of my IU friends were discussing Hoosier football the other day and I prompted this question (I may have asked it on here before, I forget) to them: What is the over/under on years before College Gameday comes to Bloomington? I set it at 18 years (2030). My friends all took the over, some of them citing "never" as their answer. What say you guys? Keep in mind that doesn't mean we are title contenders. We start out 5-0 against cupcakes and beat one ranked team in that stretch and have a powerhouse program ranked in the top 10 like Ohio State or Michigan come to town and who knows?

                      I'd take the over, as in never.

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                      • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        I would probably take the over too, but I give it a better chance than most. IU has never had a good football program. If we all of a sudden started to rise and had an up and coming coach, got some buzz around our program, it's not wild to think they would bring Gameday to Bloomington a game or two into the conference season.

                        Personally, I think Indiana football needs to pull an Oregon. Now, I don't think we can get to that level of success (or anything close to it), but I think we need to get some buzz around our program. Get Adidas to throw together some crazy uniforms for us--maybe incorporate candy stripes into it or something. If Under Armour can incorporate the Maryland state flag into their uniforms, I think Adidas could throw together something neat to create buzz for us.
                        We've tried to create buzz. We had catchy slogans with Hep. We spent 55 million dollars upgrading the stadium and also have built top notch weight and training facilities for our athletes. We play on a beautiful campus and are a flagship school in a Midwestern state that has seen a big rise in the quality of its high school football over the past decade. Unfortunately, the best kids in Indiana don't want to play at IU. We've gone through coach after coach (though tragedy unfortunately intervened with one of them). Nothing works.

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                        • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                          When Hep died, the program gave it's final breath of ever being competitive. His death has never been fully recognized for the impact he had. He had a true passion for the program and his players and was also a pretty good coach.
                          I don't see gameday ever coming here. Basketball should and will get just about every dollar of revenue for the foreseeable future. There is no doubt the next item on the AD's agenda is a new or renovated stadium for BBall, and the second item is probably the same for soccer.


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                          • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                            Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                            Purdue, who even IU fans, hoosierguy not withstanding, would admit has an exceedingly better football program than IU has hosted College Gameday just one time. The infamous Orton fumble against Wisconsin was the only time it's been to West Lafayette.

                            If the over-under was at 18, I would certainly take the over.
                            Ugh. Don't remind me. That was the year! The stars aligned! Then the fumble and it all fell apart.

                            Honestly though, I've never been able to understand why IU can't at least put together a respectable football program. I mean, if Purdue can why can't IU? It's not like IU doesn't give the program resources or anything.

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                            • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              Ugh. Don't remind me. That was the year! The stars aligned! Then the fumble and it all fell apart.

                              Honestly though, I've never been able to understand why IU can't at least put together a respectable football program. I mean, if Purdue can why can't IU? It's not like IU doesn't give the program resources or anything.
                              I agree. I don't see anything that is holding IU back from having a program at least on par with the current Purdue. I don't think it could get to where Purdue was in the early portion of the Joe Tiller years but the late Tiller/Danny Hope period should be attainable. They obviously will never be a good football program but there is no reason they should be a perennial doormat.
                              "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                              -Lance Stephenson

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                              • Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

                                I just think it's hard to realize how much we just don't care about IU football. Hep made us care for a while, I was a student then and we went to games and had fun and actually saw the light at the end of the tunnel that beckoned for us to actually be good and then he died and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Letting Bill Lynch take over did not help matters. I firmly believe that if Hep had been the coach of the Lynch team that made the Sun Bowl or whatever it was, that team should have won 9 games that year, but because Lynch is maybe the worst football coach I have ever seen, they struggled to get 7 and coughed up 2 or 3 wins along the way.


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