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Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

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  • #16
    Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

    Here are the likely culprits:

    Team Penske - Confirmed No
    Andretti Autosport - No real reason to
    Panther Racing - ?
    KV Racing - ?
    Dryer & Reinbold Racing - Nope according to Robin Miller
    Ed Carpenter Racing - Dead Ed says no
    AA/Conquest Racing - If AA has no real reason to...
    AFS Racing/AA - Same as above
    Dragon Racing - They let them switch from the boat anchors, what's their motivation?
    Last edited by DaveP63; 05-30-2012, 11:53 AM.
    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    • #17
      Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

      I got paged just as the race was ready to start and pretty much missed the first half on the radio. Was really hoping Ed would pull it out, he's one of the last of the owner/operator guys and I really want to see him win it. Missed Sarah Fisher being out there for the same reason.

      I would bet seats were empty due to the projected heat. I know from the rebroadcast that a lot of seats that were full at the start were completely empty in mid-race and filled back up at the end. Used to happen anyway (middle of the race? booooo-ring ) but even more so when it is an ordeal to sit in the open stands.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #18
        Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        I got paged just as the race was ready to start and pretty much missed the first half on the radio.
        Speaking of radio, is there anyone at all with any kind of clout who can help me beg the radio team to please, please, PLEASE use car numbers when giving the position rundowns? Some of us old fogeys still keep a race chart and I can only keep up with about the first 15 before losing track when trying to go with an alphabetical list and using last names only. I know it is redundant when so many internet tools exist, but it is part of the race tradition my father and I did together, plus it means I don't have to be tethered to an electronic device all afternoon. Doesn't seem like it would take very much to do.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • #19
          Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

          Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
          Here are the likely culprits:

          Team Penske - Confirmed No
          Andretti Autosport - No real reason to
          Panther Racing - ?
          KV Racing - ?
          Dryer & Reinbold Racing - ?
          Ed Carpenter Racing - Dead Ed says no
          AA/Conquest Racing - If AA has no real reason to...
          AFS Racing/AA - Same as above
          Dragon Racing - They let them switch from the boat anchors, what's their motivation?
          Miller said yesterday it wasn't Reinbold. I could see Kevin Kalkoven causing trouble though...
          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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          • #20
            Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

            I'm going to go out on a limb and say John Barnes has been a IRL/ICS stalwart since the beginning, so probably not Panther. Kalkoven? Hmmmm. Interesting possibility. A freind of mine used to work for him and he is quite a penis by all accounts.
            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
            "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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            • #21
              Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

              Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
              I'm going to go out on a limb and say John Barnes has been a IRL/ICS stalwart since the beginning, so probably not Panther. Kalkoven? Hmmmm. Interesting possibility. A freind of mine used to work for him and he is quite a penis by all accounts.
              That could just mean he's loyal to TG and TG's original vision. ?? It's just hard to have a handle on any of this without knowing exactly what the issue is someone is having with RB.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

              ------

              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #22
                Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                @JennaFryer: "My count: 3 owners. 1 former CEO, 2 team managers and a former champion..."

                I think we know who the former CEO is.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #23
                  Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                  Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                  Its not Ed. Thank goodness. (possibly his co-owner though?)

                  Ed Carpenter ‏@edcarpenter20
                  For those accusing me of being a conspirator, I am not the one talking and creating this story. Who is? Just because Robin says its so?
                  I suppose if you parse the words Ed is not really claiming to be supporting RB and thus not one on the opposite side of the fence. It could be a carefully worded non-denial.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #24
                    Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                    I could see Foyt not being happy with the lack of ovals.... but it's not like he fills his seats with oval track aces either.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                    ------

                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • #25
                      Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                      Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                      @JennaFryer: "My count: 3 owners. 1 former CEO, 2 team managers and a former champion..."

                      I think we know who the former CEO is.
                      The ironic part is that the other portion of the family of the "former CEO" are the ones who say RB isn't going anywhere...Man, I don't know. It sounds like there's more poo floating around than what there appears. I'm not getting where this is coming from. Ratings are up. Cars have more sponsorship now than what they had before. Purses have sucked for a while (other than Indy). Unless it's because he's not defering to the all knowing, all seeing ancient ones who drove CART and for all intents and purposes IRL into the ground.
                      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                      "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                      • #26
                        Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                        It's confusing. We need the missing piece of the puzzle "why?"
                        Maybe it starts falling in place with that info. I don't know what they expect of him or what someone is wanting to do differently.

                        Clearly Bump Day was lacking.... And if race day attendance wasn't down, it certainly wasn't up either. You have Turbogate and you have the Loti situation forcing Honda and Chevy to go above their original plans because of Lotus. You did have the scenario of drivers/teams unable to get a (competitive) engine, yet only 33 cars qualifying. TGBB finally got booted away from any important places but surely nobody is angry over that? Beaux seems to actually want to enforce qualifying rules and has changed how racing rules are utilized. While there's a lack of ovals, I'm not sure how many race teams care. There was the turbo boost thing for qualifying that seemed a little gimmicky, especially since it seemed to be short notice and a last minute fix for the possibility that the cars might have trouble making 220MPH for qualifying. Aero packages are SUPPOSED to be on tap for next season... but originally supposed to be on tap for this year and some owners balked. I suppose there could be some backlash over Wheldon's death and the Vegas race still (Some didn't think they should race there... and few liked the promotion trying to get some outside driver to challenge Indycar's best there (that ended up being the ticket to Wheldon being there).

                        All of that is WAG's to pour into the pot. Not sure if anything is even close.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #27
                          Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                          http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ulsive-revolt/

                          "It doesn’t matter if it was Michael Andretti making the calls or that Mario wants a change; this movement was started by John Barnes and Tony George, with a silent endorsement from Kevin Kalkhoven, based on everything I’ve heard or been told. Roger Penske was calling for the hangman a few weeks ago but evidently has changed his mind."

                          I can't say what I really want to. I would result in a permaban...
                          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                          • #28
                            Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                            I don't know if the Andrettis are as centric as Miller says. For one, Mario's beef with Randy is because he wanted the Vegas race to continue.... Sorry, but Mario, you are LITERALLY the only guy on Earth who wanted that race to continue.

                            And if Michael wants Randy gone so bad, then why is he promoting two races?

                            Michael Andretti ‏@michaelandretti
                            Very disappointed in Robin Miller reporting things before knowing the truth! There is no lynch mob! #sensationalism
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                            Michael Andretti ‏@michaelandretti
                            “@RichardNew: @EDawg409 @michaelandretti Too bad Michael isn't sharing the truth with us...The truth is I'm not leading any lynching!

                            Michael Andretti ‏@michaelandretti

                            “@Indycar_MN: @michaelandretti so do you think @RBINDYCAR is doing a great job?” He has a very tough job!
                            Last edited by Sandman21; 05-30-2012, 06:47 PM.
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • #29
                              Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                              Mario's beef with Randy is because he wanted the Vegas race to continue
                              Do you mean annually or he wanted racing to resume after the wreck was cleaned up at last year's event?
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                              ------

                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • #30
                                Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                                Pretty good read: http://www.popoffvalve.com/2012/5/30...aper#storyjump
                                http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                                "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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