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2012 Indiana Fever Thread

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  • 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

    A few things to discuss - another female athlete tears her ACL (Shyra Ely-Gash), Fever win their first pre-season game, first home pre-season is on Wednesday.

    Go Fever!
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

  • #2
    Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

    I missed the pre-season but have been watching the games. We look pretty good, handling an Atlanta team we've had issues with in the recent past.

    Davenport looks improved around the basket, and that is much needed. Looks like Zellous worked on her shot a little - also much needed.

    Tamika looks like Tamika, but maybe more offensively assertive. We're getting to the free throw line quite a bit - offense looks a little better than in years past.
    "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

    "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

    "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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    • #3
      Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

      Of course, we go on an epic offensive drought as soon as I posted that.
      "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

      "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

      "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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      • #4
        Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

        3-0 not a bad start. Getting to the point where I can start watching again, so hopefully they stay strong.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • #5
          Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

          http://www.wnba.com/news/potw_052912.html

          Catch Eastern Conference player of the week.

          "
          Catchings paced the Fever in scoring (21.0 ppg), rebounds (7.3), defensive boards (6.0), steals (2.67), and minutes (31.3). In so doing, she also ranked among the Eastern Conference leaders in a variety of categories, including scoring (third), steals (fourth), and rebounding (tied for sixth)."
          "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

          "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

          "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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          • #6
            Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

            Liberty defense was a challenge for the Fever at times. The Dunn "stand around" offense may yet come back to bite us if we're not careful.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #7
              Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

              Another swarming defense causes problems for our shaky offense. Anyone know what was up with Erin Phillips not playing - I missed any announcement and as usual the Star is behind.
              BillS

              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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              • #8
                Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                Erin is probably with the rest of the Australian National team. (I assume she's on it.) Lauren Jackson isn't even going to be with the Seattle Storm until after the Olympics.

                Granted, that poor team doesn't have a prayer without Penny Taylor (tore her ACL overseas)..they'll actually be lucky to make the Gold Medal game. Sad for Jackson who never got an Olympic Gold Medal, and will be around 34 next olympics.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                  Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                  Erin is probably with the rest of the Australian National team. (I assume she's on it.)
                  Yes, she's on it (they said that at the STH party night) - I guess knowing Tamika is bouncing back and forth didn't help it occur to me that Erin would have to be away for longer stretches since you can't just bounce over to Oz.
                  BillS

                  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                  Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                    Tough loss to the Mystics tonight. Probably the worst I've ever seen the Fever play.

                    They shot poorly and turned the ball over too much, and perhaps worst of all, they let it affect their defense. Even trailing the whole game, the win never felt out of reach, as they did make a late push, but it wasn't enough. The hole they dug themselves early was just too big. Very disappointing display of basketball tonight. No other way to put it.

                    Good news is we have a game tomorrow night, and after a loss like that to one of the worst teams in the league, a quick turnaround could be just what the doctor ordered to snap this losing streak.

                    Edit - I just remembered that after the game, Bobbit did an interview in front of the DC fans and she said, "The Fever let me go ... one team's trash is another team's treasure!" She certainly played like she had something to prove tonight.
                    Last edited by Kuq_e_Zi91; 06-15-2012, 11:55 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                      http://www.forbes.com/sites/alanagla...-next-chapter/

                      Nice little write-up on Dunn's place in women's basketball history.
                      "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                      "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                      "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                        Phoenix got the #1 pick in the draft. Taurasi and Griner will be playing together. Wow.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                          I was so disgusted after the game 1 loss to Atlanta. Glad to see the Fever fight back in game 2 in Atlanta. January had a breakout game (I hope).

                          Phoenix getting the #1 pick - I'm sure anyone following the WNBA has heard the chatter about them tanking. The way it played out is kind of embarrassing for the league.

                          Oh well. Griner will be an impact player, no doubt about that. She has some skills but her main asset right now is being really, really, tall. I watched the second game in the LAS-SAS series. Candace Parker blocked a shot, triggering a fast break where she took the ball the length of the court, dribbled behind her back to evade a converging double-team, then dropped a dime to a teammate cutting to the basket. A few plays later she had a nifty up and under move on the block and a few plays after that she drained a three. I realized I don't think I'd trade that versatility, that excellence in all areas, for what Griner brings. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to have her on the Fever. It just seems that lots of people think Griner is just going to come in and dominate the league. I think she's stepping into a world with a lot more talent and basketball IQ than the NCAA on the whole. I don't think the W is hers on a silver platter.

                          Minnesota had a hiccup, but I expect they'll close out their series so that I can try and get tickets for the Sparks-Lynx Western Conference Finals series. Should be a really good one!
                          "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                          "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                          "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                            January (And Erin) were fantastic. Not sure who I want to win that series, I'll be honest. I like all the remaining Eastern Conference teams. Obviously I'm rooting for Connecticut, I'd love to see Catch get a well deserved ring, and Atlanta, I feel like has the best chance of keeping a series with Minny competitive. (And might be the best basketball the league could put on display.) Lindsey Harding has been incredible herself.

                            Phoenix getting the #1 pick. I think Taurasi was legitimately injured the first half of the season and wanted to be healthy for the Olympics. And obviously they had Taylor out with the ACL. Dupree and Houston needed surgery. The second half of the season, I think there was just no point in playing Taurasi. I would have made that decision too, especially with the potential rewards. I also think it's better for the WNBA that she's on a team like Phoenix. (Granted, I, as a Phoenix fan, would feel that way. :P)

                            Which leads to Griner. I have to disagree there. Sure, Griner isn't as versatile as Parker, but I don't really need my center to bring the ball up the floor. She's actually quite coordinated, she's expanded her range..and yea..she's really tall. I personally wouldn't trade her for anyone in the league. Not Catchings, not Taurasi, not Parker etc... I saw all I needed to know about Griner, when I watched Bria Hartley (Uconn All American) drive to the basket, look up, and then run back out to the perimeter where she decided she was just going to take three pointers that game. (And Griner ended up blocking her at some point. Bria was shooting a 3, Griner started at the free throw line.) She's just so much bigger than everyone else that it's hard to play against. And she's gotten SO much better since her freshman season.

                            Yea, I expect Minny to take the series. Hard for me to watch Bird though. She's the reason why I'm a basketball fan in the first place..and its rough to start to see the writing on the wall. She's getting older..getting more injury prone. One of the most clutch players I've ever seen, even when she's limping..But still kinda sad.
                            Last edited by Sookie; 10-01-2012, 07:51 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                              We were out of town Friday, seems that was the right game to miss.

                              In general, the Fever are very susceptible to defensive pressure. If the outside jumpers aren't falling then they can be taken completely apart by denying them the paint, because they really have no one who can bull through defenders. They have finesse players who can often make awkward shots, but again, those aren't any kind of weapon to depend upon.
                              BillS

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                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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